UK music industry, bands, work permits and Brexit

[8ball]

that's what I thought, reading the letter.

We must reform and restructure the EU. When Europe is in a mess, the Brits get stuck in. They don’t withdraw, they double down.

 

[editor]

You think people voting for Brexit didn’t know it was going to make importing and exporting trickier?

Given that the fucking government still can't decide what form Brexit is going to take, most definitely yes.

 

[kabbes]

Given that the fucking government still can't decide what form Brexit is going to take, most definitely yes.

This is why remain lost.

 

[editor]

For myself, as a remain voter, I'm struggling to think what issue would be below the needs of the music industry in the whole Brexit kerfuffle - availability of Himalayan Rock Salt perhaps...?

You've lost me here.

 

[klang]

I'm struggling to think what issue would be below the needs of the music industry

really?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But the point is still the same. What additional thing does Geldof think he is giving to this debate that will suddenly change anything for anyone? People already knew that exporting was going to become harder. They already knew that importing was going to become harder. They knew that. They found that other factors were more important.

Yeah. Keeping out foreigners.

 

[8ball]

You think people voting for Brexit didn’t know it was going to make importing and exporting trickier?

Yep. Importing and exporting to THE WHOLE WORLD would become easier, and the Europeans can't afford to lose our trade.
... was a common Brexiter argument

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't see anything in kabbes post that suggested he was talking about how musicians voted.

For myself, as a remain voter, I'm struggling to think what issue would be below the needs of the music industry in the whole Brexit kerfuffle - availability of Himalayan Rock Salt perhaps...?

you need not fear for your supply of himalayan rock salt

 

[kabbes]

You've lost me here.

He’s saying that musicians are rather overstating in their own minds how much people care about them when they are deciding on the merits of widespread political and economic upheaval.

 

[kebabking]

Given that the fucking government still can't decide what form Brexit is going to take, most definitely yes.

Bollocks.

Pretty much 'leave' voter I've discussed Brexit with knew and understood that the loss of the Single Market would make selling and buying harder and more expensive - they just either didn't care, or cared more about other things.

 

[8ball]

This is why remain lost.

Well, indeed. Remain would have won comfortably if any details had been available.

 

[sleaterkinney]

You think people voting for Brexit didn’t know it was going to make importing and exporting trickier?

Plenty of leave talking heads were saying that we wouldn't be leaving the single market, so no.

Edit-typo

 

[8ball]

Plenty of leave talking heads were saying that we would be leaving the single market, so no.

Project Fear.

 

[klang]

he didn't say musicians, he said music industry.

He’s saying that musicians are rather overstating in their own minds how much people care about them when they are deciding on the merits of widespread political and economic upheaval.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bollocks.

Pretty much 'leave' voter I've discussed Brexit with knew and understood that the loss of the Single Market would make selling and buying harder and more expensive - they just either didn't care, or cared more about other things.

yeh. but leaving the eu didn't necessarily mean leaving the eea

 

[kabbes]

Yeah. Keeping out foreigners.

So you say. Doesn’t change the point though, does it? If Geldof thinks that his letter is adding a single idea to the debate, he’s living in aa different planet. Well, I suppose he is a rock star so maybe that’s a given. We should know better, though.

 

[kabbes]

he didn't say musicians, he said music industry.

Oh, well then, that makes ALL the difference.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So you say. Doesn’t change the point though, does it? If Geldof thinks that his letter is adding a single idea to the debate, he’s living in aa different planet. Well, I suppose he is a rock star so maybe that’s a given. We should know better, though.

Not so I say, so various polls after the vote say wrt the things that were important factors in the vote. Number one important factor among people who voted leave was keeping out foreigners. Not all leave voters, but more than half.

 

[8ball]

Not so I say, so various polls after the vote say wrt the things that were important factors in the vote. Number one important factor among people who voted leave was keeping out foreigners. Not all leave voters, but more than half.

Conclusion: surprising levels of honesty among British public.

 

[kabbes]

Not so I say, so various polls after the vote say wrt the things that were important factors in the vote. Number one important factor among people who voted leave was keeping out foreigners. Not all leave voters, but more than half.

What’s that got to do with Geldof’s letter other than, if it is true, reinforcing my point?

 

[klang]

Oh, well then, that makes ALL the difference.

it does make a diff when talking about the egos of musos.
fwiw, I thought Geldof's pretty weak and not-thought-through. but to dismiss an entire industry because of it misses the point.

 

[8ball]

What’s that got to do with Geldof’s letter other than, if it is true, reinforcing my point?

If your point is that xenophobia is more important to the British than music, well...
.. nah, you got me on that one.

 

[Pickman's model]

it does make a diff when talking about the egos of musos.
fwiw, I thought Geldof's pretty weak and not-thought-through. but to dismiss an entire industry because of it misses the point.

yeh, it's one of those letters where you just want to change the words.

 

[kebabking]

You've lost me here.

really?

Take myself perfectly clear, I give more shits about how other people choose to piss than I give about the music industry and it's travails, indeed I give more shits about the colour of the upstairs curtains at 17 Bedford Crescent, Merthyr Tydfil* than I do about the music industry and it's travails.

*I have no idea if 17 Bedford Crescent, Merthyr Tydfil exists, or what colour curtains it has...

 

[8ball]

yeh, it's one of those letters where you just want to change the words.

Tbf, he doesn't get on with Mondays.

 

[klang]

yeh, it's one of those letters where you just want to change the words.

eg 'I, Bob Geldof would love to single-handedly stop Brexit for the sake of my very own ego'

 

[editor]

Take myself perfectly clear, I give more shits about how other people choose to piss than I give about the music industry and it's travails, indeed I give more shits about the colour of the upstairs curtains at 17 Bedford Crescent, Merthyr Tydfil* than I do about the music industry and it's travails.

*I have no idea if 17 Bedford Crescent, Merthyr Tydfil exists, or what colour curtains it has...

Then I don't give a flying fuck about your opinions on the matter, you soulless void.

 

[editor]

eg 'I, Bob Geldof would love to single-handedly stop Brexit for the sake of my very own ego'

I dearly wish it was someone else articulating the thoughts contained in that letter.

 

[klang]

Take myself perfectly clear, I give more shits about how other people choose to piss than I give about the music industry and it's travails, indeed I give more shits about the colour of the upstairs curtains at 17 Bedford Crescent, Merthyr Tydfil* than I do about the music industry and it's travails.

*I have no idea if 17 Bedford Crescent, Merthyr Tydfil exists, or what colour curtains it has...

then maybe this debate isn't for you.
to make it perfectly clear, I am worried about the industry I work in, Brexit or not.

 

[Pickman's model]

eg 'I, Bob Geldof would love to single-handedly stop Brexit for the sake of my very own ego'

to be fair, he has a point in his letter. but it's conveyed in such a shit way he'd have done better to keep quiet. theresa may is not a musical person. so you need to put the point in ways she will respond well to, and going on about rock 'n roll to the worst dancer in british political history isn't really the way to do it.