UK music industry, bands, work permits and Brexit

[editor]

I'm happy to accept that there's a genuine issue here which affects a relatively small number of people, but in the overall context of Brexit and its consequences, bands potentially finding it harder to tour in Europe really isn't that important.

And given Geldof's previous, I really don't think he's the ideal person to be fronting this, if the aim is to gain sympathy from ordinary working people

It's not just about bands being able to tour.

 

[Pickman's model]

It was nowhere near 52% of the population.

Show this chart to anyone who says Brexit is the 'will of the British people'

yeh about 37.4% of the eligible population (i.e. those on the electoral register). i am not persuaded there really were 18,099,999 people not on the electoral register.

 

[sealion]

I am old enough to remember when it was the left that wanted out of the EU, and referendum results were respected.

If you have time this is a good debate. Barbara Castle called it right.

 

[DotCommunist]

sovereignty was the number one leave voter reason stated with immigration second. Just to correct a bit of a lie eh. Of course 'we all know that sovereignty is just a polite way of saying heil hitler' etc

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm happy to accept that there's a genuine issue here which affects a relatively small number of people, but in the overall context of Brexit and its consequences, bands potentially finding it harder to tour in Europe really isn't that important.

Why not? How about scientists finding it harder to form collaborations? Campaigning pressure groups no longer able to influence EU law - the likes of CiWF, for instance, who have successfully managed to produce tangible change in EU farming practices? What about an addition of all these groups together?

Then what? What good comes from Brexit? If all there is is bad things, which is all I can see, unless you're of the mind that keeping out the foreigners is a good thing, why not list those bad things, with this as one item of many on the list?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yep, I was one of that "left".
Respecting an "advisory" referendum means returning to the decision if significant new information emerges.

There's a reason why we didn't just have one general election and consider the vote binding for ever.

You seem to not understand the different between a referendum and a general election.

 

[8ball]

yeh about 37.4% of the eligible population (i.e. those on the electoral register). i am not persuaded there really were 18,099,999 people not on the electoral register.

THERE WON'T BE ONCE WE'VE KICKED THEM OUT!!!

 

[8ball]

You seem to not understand the different between a referendum and a general election.

You seem to lack very basic reading comprehension.

 

[not-bono-ever]

geldof has personal financial reasons why he wants EU access I would warrant - and it’s got nothing to do with the royalties from his comedy pop hit rat trap

Apologies, this is a snide comment to make and adds nothing to the debate

 

[Pickman's model]

THERE WON'T BE ONCE WE'VE KICKED THEM OUT!!!

they're not going to south georgia, you'll have to find them another home

 

[littlebabyjesus]

sovereignty was the number one leave voter reason stated with immigration second. Just to correct a bit of a lie eh. Of course 'we all know that sovereignty is just a polite way of saying heil hitler' etc

Ah 'Take back control'. Take back control of what, exactly? Well, among other things of course, and perhaps top of the list, borders. Or do you think most people were more concerned about regulations on the quality of cheese? Either way, this vote was a victory for nationalism.

 

[Pickman's model]

geldof has personal financial reasons why he wants EU access I would warrant - and it’s got nothing to do with the royalties from his comedy pop hit rat trap

has he been so obnoxious as to close the doors of ireland against him?

 

[8ball]

geldof has personal financial reasons why he wants EU access I would warrant - and it’s got nothing to do with the royalties from his comedy pop hit rat trap

Yes, he should have declared his interests in remaining solvent in a functioning country.

 

[Pickman's model]

i notice that theresa may fucked the chance to show how parliament would be in control by going to court to try to ensure she could issue the article 50 notice.

 

[kabbes]

It was nowhere near 52% of the population.

Show this chart to anyone who says Brexit is the 'will of the British people'

No, he’s right. It’s a majority of 52% of the population. Specifically, it’s 52% of 52% of the population.

If the 48% of the population who didn’t vote split differently to the 52% who did, though, I’ve not seen any evidence of it. And many would argue it is irrelevant anyway, since they didn’t care enough to take a position.

 

[8ball]

If the 48% of the population who didn’t vote split differently to the 52% who did, though, I’ve not seen any evidence of it. And many would argue it is irrelevant anyway, since they didn’t care enough to take a position.

Or maybe they thought the choice between either consolidating the power of Cameron and Osborne, or handing over the country to a different bunch of rabid incompetent fuckknuckles, was much like when a bully asks you whether you'd prefer to be punched in the face or kicked in the nuts.

 

[andysays]

Interesting to see that one of the signatories is Paul Simon, some one whose belief in the absolute right of musicians to play wherever they want is so strong he chose to break the boycott of Apartheid South Africa

 

[kabbes]

Interesting to see that one of the signatories is Paul Simon, some one whose belief in the absolute right of musicians to play wherever they want is so strong he chose to break the boycott of Apartheid South Africa

A man of principle.

Sorry, a man of principal. My mistake.

 

[andysays]

Why not? How about scientists finding it harder to form collaborations? Campaigning pressure groups no longer able to influence EU law - the likes of CiWF, for instance, who have successfully managed to produce tangible change in EU farming practices? What about an addition of all these groups together?

Then what? What good comes from Brexit? If all there is is bad things, which is all I can see, unless you're of the mind that keeping out the foreigners is a good thing, why not list those bad things, with this as one item of many on the list?

Those examples are (potentially) more significant, but they're not the subject of this thread

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting to see that one of the signatories is Paul Simon, some one whose belief in the absolute right of musicians to play wherever they want is so strong he chose to break the boycott of Apartheid South Africa

Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators

 

[TopCat]

And why's that exactly?

Because that campaigb was rightly recognised as bullshit and although many home taped, music not only lived but thrived.
This call by the tax dodging beggar Geldof warns of a cultural desert when we Brexit and sane heads know this to be similar rubbish or bullshit as the Musicians Union campaign was.

 

[DotCommunist]

the sick truth is we all gave paul simon a pass because Gracelands is a damn good album and it wan't sun city

 

[editor]

Those examples are (potentially) more significant, but they're not the subject of this thread

Neither is what Paul Simon did 30 years ago.

 

[editor]

Because that campaigb was rightly recognised as bullshit and although many home taped, music not only lived but thrived.
This call by the tax dodging beggar Geldof warns of a cultural desert when we Brexit and sane heads know this to be similar rubbish or bullshit as the Musicians Union campaign was.

Ever toured Europe in a band before it was open borders? I did and it was a fucking pain and if we end up having to get visas - like we do for America - then it will absolutely become financially unsustainable for small bands to play Europe and vice versa.

And the impact is already being felt for bands coming into the UK

The musician Peter Gabriel has expressed “alarm” over UK foreign policy after a number of international artists were unable to perform at Womad world music festival after visa issues.

At least three acts scheduled to appear at the event in Wiltshire last weekend were unable to take part, according to the event’s director, Chris Smith.

Sabry Mosbah from Tunisia, Wazimbo from Mozambique and members of Niger’s Tal National were prevented from entering the UK, Smith said. Indian sisters Hashmat Sultana, who also experienced difficulties entering the country, arrived 24 hours after their scheduled performance.

'A Brexited flatland’: Peter Gabriel hits out after Womad stars refused entry to UK

 

[andysays]

Neither is what Paul Simon did 30 years ago.

Given that he's one of the people who signed the letter, I think it is.

Just as Geldof is the wrong person to be fronting this, Simon is not someone who anyone with any sense would invite to be a signatory

 

[editor]

Given that he's one of the people who signed the letter, I think it is.

Just as Geldof is the wrong person to be fronting this, Simon is not someone who anyone with any sense would invite to be a signatory

OK, let's talk about what an American musician did over three decades ago in South Africa. Bang on topic for a thread about Brexit.

 

[TopCat]

Yeah. Keeping out foreigners.

Fucking liberal bigotry.
I voted out of your beloved Capitalist Club because a winning decision to remain would have cemented in stone an anti working class organisation beneffitting only the home owning haves.
Smearing Out voters as racist is a tiresome cunts trick.

 

[Pickman's model]

Given that he's one of the people who signed the letter, I think it is.

Just as Geldof is the wrong person to be fronting this, Simon is not someone who anyone with any sense would invite to be a signatory

i suggest it indicates the depths to which geldof had to plunge to find signatories for his letter.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Does anyone seriously think visas are going to be required for travel in Europe, after brexit?

 

[TopCat]

I dearly wish it was someone else articulating the thoughts contained in that letter.

Sorry but The Sleaford Mods want out too.