Should the death penalty be reintroduced in the UK?

[Spymaster]

What will be the flagship policy the Tories, Reform and probably even Labour go into the next election with?

Free dog food on Wednesdays?

 

[emanymton]

You can legislate against it. The whole notion that it's completely unavoidable is fucking preposterous.

Legislation can be changed later and things are not exactly moving in a less authoritarian direction.

 

[Spymaster]

You can legislate against it, but a future government can introduce new legalisation to extend it, it's that simple, this possibility is completely unavoidable and to claim otherwise is fucking preposterous.

But it's not inevitable. They don't have to. You cat toucher.

 

[cupid_stunt]

But it's not inevitable. They don't have to. You cat toucher.

You claimed mission creep was impossible, but failed to explain how it could be stopped, now you're changing your position to 'not inevitable', despite no one claiming it was, talk about moving the goal posts.

Truly desperate.

 

[Spymaster]

You claimed mission creep was impossible

No I didn't.

That would be stupid, and I'm not the stupid person in this exchange

 

[littlebabyjesus]

For Britain to reintroduce the DP, something very very bad needs to happen first. There needs to be a victory of a Trump-like neofascist, basically.

Let's hope that is not our future. For all our sakes.

Abolition of the DP wherever it has happened has always represented a victory over reactionary forces. I can't think of a single exception to that. May it eventually be abolished across the world.

 

[cupid_stunt]

No I didn't.

It's there for everyone to see -

You make it sound like a manned mission to Mars. Yes it would require some legislation and infrastructure but nothing beyond possibility in any way at all. And once again, I reject your insistence that mission creep is inevitable. In fact, I find it bewildering that you don't think it could be prevented.

Of course it can't be prevented, once the red line is crossed, there's every chance of a future government changing the law again, mission creep happens all the time.

Balls.

I already answered your question in post 558.

Let me type this slowly for you, mission creep can happen, without taking it to the extremes of this strawman that you have introduced here, and you haven't answered how that could be stopped.

It can, but it's not inevitable and can be prevented.

Once again, how can it be prevented?

 

[Spymaster]

It's there for everyone to see -











Once again, how can it be prevented?

So you are admitting that I didn't say it was impossible.

Can we firstly agree that you were wrong about that?

 

[cupid_stunt]

So you are admitting that I didn't say it was impossible.

Can we firstly agree that you were wrong about that?

You said it can be prevented, if that's the case, it would make it impossible.

But it can't be prevented.

 

[Spymaster]

You said it can be prevented, if that's the case, it would make it impossible.

Utterly bonkers logic.

All that cat-touching seems to have affected your sanity!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Either you can put in a mechanism that prevents mission creep, future-proofing the policy, or you can't. If you can't then you are admitting that you can't prevent it from happening in the future with a change in regime.

The best way to prevent mission creep from future regimes is through abolition and signing up to international bodies whose membership requires abolition as part of a wider human rights framework. IE where we are right now.