littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And 'Chinaman'. And, for that matter, French Cricket.
The Ashes 2017-18
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All good points. The first hour will be crucial.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Stuart Broad fivefer. Regardless of the batting, although a nice 500 would set it up.
2.30 btw
2.30 btw
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Morning!!! Load up on coffee.. Chain smoke fags * and settle down for what is hopefully another great day 
(*Other stimulants are available)
(*Other stimulants are available)
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Yes!!!! Well done Johnny 
How's ya first hour Australia?
How's ya first hour Australia?
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Ali...no 
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
looks like the second hour is theirs 
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Now this is the part of matches that England perform so poorly at, being a tail that frustrates. How many times do we see teams like SA, Aus.. Well all of them except us...make those crucial 50+ partnerships and keep the bowlers out there for those extra hours
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
400 with a six...
Morning has belonged to the Aussies, but 400 is a reasonable score, could have been much better but it's not bad. Lets see if the bowlers can exploit the scoreboard pressure.
Morning has belonged to the Aussies, but 400 is a reasonable score, could have been much better but it's not bad. Lets see if the bowlers can exploit the scoreboard pressure.
Ponyutd
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planetgeli And I hope Moeen scores a decent 80 or so tomorrow and you who are doubting him come back to apologize.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
^ That was an interesting discussion. I liked "The Analysist" Simon Hughes' summary. Yes you can coach fast bowling but it's not easy and it's tough on the body and the extra pace seems to come at the expense of long term fitness. The Aussies just happen to have 3 quicks fit at the same time who are playing in together for the first time. In the Pomshambles Ashes it was really only late developer Mitchell Johnson that was super quick and had peaked at the right time backed up by Ryan Harris and his dodgy knees.
Glenn McGrath seemed to be of the "nature not nurture" opinion which may have an element of truth, however I also agree with him, regardless of your pace you need to be able to have good control and build pressure. Of course if you can do that and also bowl at 90+ mph then that's even better, but that's a rare breed. Josh Hazlewood has got to be one who has improved in that regard, he always good McGrath like control, but has added a few clicks to his speed.
Glenn McGrath seemed to be of the "nature not nurture" opinion which may have an element of truth, however I also agree with him, regardless of your pace you need to be able to have good control and build pressure. Of course if you can do that and also bowl at 90+ mph then that's even better, but that's a rare breed. Josh Hazlewood has got to be one who has improved in that regard, he always good McGrath like control, but has added a few clicks to his speed.
yes, I've had a real interest having had a real enthusiasm for all this stuff, but if anyone could be said to not have the raw ability to bowl fast, well I think I qualify for that. But having thought a great deal about how to do it, I seem to be picking stuff up. I was in my thirties before I discovered how to throw a ball, after isolating the wrist action, and suddenly I went from someone who could only execute a weak throw to someone who loved throwing hard. But bowling fast is another thing. I've always been fascinated as how some people can do it, and like so many physical skills, get such results from an apparent economy of effort.
My efforts have mainly been in trying to master spin bowling, but on the way I've thought a bit about bowling seam up too, I think I've discovered a few ideas about it and I'm looking forward to trying them out in the nets... it's a bit cold right now. I think that practicing off one pace, with a bag of balls, which is really beneficial for spin, also is useful for pace bowling.
With a really good action, I'm not convinced that pace bowling needs to be devastating on the body, though undoubtedly it can be, my evidence for that is Jeff Thomson who could bowl for long spells and was pretty much injury-free, his shoulder injury coming from a collision.
My efforts have mainly been in trying to master spin bowling, but on the way I've thought a bit about bowling seam up too, I think I've discovered a few ideas about it and I'm looking forward to trying them out in the nets... it's a bit cold right now. I think that practicing off one pace, with a bag of balls, which is really beneficial for spin, also is useful for pace bowling.
With a really good action, I'm not convinced that pace bowling needs to be devastating on the body, though undoubtedly it can be, my evidence for that is Jeff Thomson who could bowl for long spells and was pretty much injury-free, his shoulder injury coming from a collision.
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Had a little doze, woke up to see Warner go.. Shall I have another kip?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
403 still just a little light IMO but at least it's a target giving the bowlers something to ball against. But if they can get Smith out cheaply, then looking positive.
403 is good when you start from 134-4. Worth contemplating.
What was that stat yesterday? I think it was that England have always won here when they scored more than 400 in the first innings and always lost when they scored less than 400. If my memory on that is correct, this 403 will really put that threshold to the test...
What was that stat yesterday? I think it was that England have always won here when they scored more than 400 in the first innings and always lost when they scored less than 400. If my memory on that is correct, this 403 will really put that threshold to the test...
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
It was 300 not 400 I think. But scoring has increased in general. and this year the scores at the WACA have been pretty high.
403 is a good score, especially from the position they were in, but an extra 50 runs would have been invaluable.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
So, which hour was crucial again?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
planetgeli And I hope Moeen scores a decent 80 or so tomorrow and you who are doubting him come back to apologize.
Yes you are absolutely correct. It’s Moeen’s fault England have scored 403.
