8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Good point there about suicidality placing a natural limit on learning and experience.
Streatham "terrorist-related" attack, people stabbed 02.02.2020
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Good point there about suicidality placing a natural limit on learning and experience.
Well done to the Police for shooting this scumbag dead.
Looks like Boris is going to be making changes to the way terrorists are going to be released in the future now.
Boris Johnson to announce fresh terror crackdown in wake of Streatham attack — PoliticsHome
Boris Johnson is to unveil “fundamental changes” to the way convicted terrorists are released from jail in the wake of the Streatham knife attack. The Prime Minister will on Monday set out further legislative measures to deal with the threat from radicalised prisoners let out midway through...apple.news
Didn’t realise this place was so blood thirsty.
Looking forward to the bring back capital punishment thread...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Bringing back the death penalty was more popular ten years ago than it is now
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
even if it was more popular, there's no way to derogate from protocol 13 of the european convention of human rights, which prohibits the death penalty in all circumstances, without leaving the council of europe.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
My point , my little legal beagle, was about the unthinkable aspect .
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and mine about its impracticality
Those blood-thirsty hobbits won't be happy 'til they've had their second brexits!
You’re conflating two entirely different things.
I’d say it’s fair game for anyone to be shot dead by police in this context of running around stabbing random members of the public with intent to kill.
Virtual Blue
ready
the lady that got stabbed is close friends with one of the guys at the dojo (he's been looking after her daughter).
all is okay and she's been discharged.
all is okay and she's been discharged.
not-bono-ever
meh
editor
hiraethified
I can't imagine the trauma for the victim, the kids and the eyewitness. I saw two guys viciously beating the fuck out of someone in Effra Road a couple of years ago and there was nothing I could do (save call the cops) and it still haunts me sometimes.
Here's a statement from the local MP
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Here's a statement from the local MP
Statement on Streatham High Road terror incident by Streatham MP Bell Ribeiro-Addy
We’ve been sent a statement by local MP Bell Ribeiro-Addy on yesterday’s horrific terror incident in Streatham High Road. We’ve reproduced it in full below:
www.brixtonbuzz.com
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
What evidence is there that deradicalisation works?
I can see the case for whole life sentences for serious terrorism offences becoming stronger. Locking someone up for a few years, then letting them loose to kill is not tenable.
There have been a number of cases lately where released terrorists have gone on to murder on release.
I would not be surprised if further radicalisation is taking place in prison, the whole thing reinforced by a sense of injustice at having been locked up in the first place.
Another consideration is the amount of police resources involved in keeping tabs on someone 24/7, it is not sustainable.
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What I'm saying I suppose is that I don't have an answer for this problem, and am wondering if anyone else has?
I can see the case for whole life sentences for serious terrorism offences becoming stronger. Locking someone up for a few years, then letting them loose to kill is not tenable.
There have been a number of cases lately where released terrorists have gone on to murder on release.
I would not be surprised if further radicalisation is taking place in prison, the whole thing reinforced by a sense of injustice at having been locked up in the first place.
Another consideration is the amount of police resources involved in keeping tabs on someone 24/7, it is not sustainable.
Edited to add:
What I'm saying I suppose is that I don't have an answer for this problem, and am wondering if anyone else has?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Is this instance he wasn't convicted of a serious terror offence though, not the planning or commission of anyway, although that's what they were after him for. They are never going to be able to give massive sentences for possession of material I wouldn't have thought
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Indeed.
The balance between fair sentencing and public protection is a delicate one.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Suppose only way to manage this sort of stuff is massive surveillance ops, which is what they were doing although it didn't prevent an attack (but did mean very rapid response)
eWell maybe deradicalization might work better if the services overseeing it hadn't been cut to the bone. Probation and the Police, mental health services. Not going to work too well in an under funded, demoralised prison system either. SO incidents like this are par for the course.
It's OK though the Home sec is going to crack down on "counter-terrorist offenders."
It's OK though the Home sec is going to crack down on "counter-terrorist offenders."
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Including supporting victims of counter terrorists, is that..er...terrorists?
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I agree wit Sasaferrato if you can potentially kill 3 people while being tailed by cop or cops what's the point at all. I also suspect he made them and still went for it regardless
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
This is actually a really good paper - on the evidence of this, jihadis really are the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
It also has this line:
"On the way the trio stopped for snacks and gasoline at a filling station, where Tanweer purchased a packet of “crisps,” then argued with the cashier over his change and looked directly at one of the ubiquitous closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras that blanket Britain."
Good thing Tanweer wasn't a smoker, I suppose.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Nothing to do with the EU. Restriction of the death penalty is part of the right to life article (article 2) of the ECHR which isn’t an EU document and has signataries way beyond the EU. Turkey for example... Also article 2 isn’t absolute. The only one that is is the prohibition of torture Article 3.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Turkey only signed cos they were arselicking in order to join the EU. I don’t think it will happen, but the UK leaving the ECHR isn’t such a stretch, given we left the EU last week...
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Well we signed it really late. But then we did write most of it - or British military lawyers did post WW2- as a way of giving Johny Forigner some good old Blighty fair play whilst we were untroubled by it through most of the retreat from Empire.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Not sure if it was an omission, but the Justice Secretary appeared to say that people convicted of terrorist offences would not be released until the Parole Board believed it would be safe to do so (he said it separately to the bit trailed in the Press about not releasing serving prisoners half way through the sentence).
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
eWell maybe deradicalization might work better if the services overseeing it hadn't been cut to the bone. Probation and the Police, mental health services. Not going to work too well in an under funded, demoralised prison system either. SO incidents like this are par for the course.
It's OK though the Home sec is going to crack down on "counter-terrorist offenders."
Words are indeed cheap, deeds are not.
The Home Secretary is undoubtedly doing what he can, within his budget. That the budget ought to be greater is a no brainer.
You do have to look though, at how money is spent. Is it good use of money to place surveillance on released criminals? Would a better option be whole life sentences?
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
he?
Its an age thing, he still thinks its William Whitelaw.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
For the offences listed earlier by 39 steps
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Mind you, whoever's in government we always seem to get Mussolini as home secretary.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Rather than transport. Annoyingly.
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