Streatham "terrorist-related" attack, people stabbed 02.02.2020

[TheHoodedClaw]

More technically, you can't be a member of the EU and have capital punishment on your books. The UK of course is no longer a member...

But the UK remains a member of the Council of Europe, and it's under their auspices the ECHR protocol against the death penalty.was drafted.

 

[Sasaferrato]

he?

Sorry, she. They change so fast nowadays that it's hard to keep up. I had it mind that it was Javid for some reason, but he's moved on to be Chancellor.

There was a time when I could have named all the senior ministers off the top of my head, not any more.

The Justice Minister was on the TV earlier, after 'Who he?' I've forgotten his name. He was truly memorable... or not as the case may be.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Its an age thing, he still thinks its William Whitelaw.

Off Fuck!

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sorry, she. They change so fast nowadays that it's hard to keep up.

As I said earlier, its an age thing.

 

[Sasaferrato]

As I said earlier, its an age thing.

Pardon? Did you speak?

 

[A380]

Rather than transport. Annoyingly.

Brilliant. This is my post of the month, and it’s only the 4th!

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Get an idiot under active surveillance to commit a terror thingy ( and for future ref, we get to decide what terror is going forward) and boom tough draconian laws.

How about actual fucking rehabilitation in prison? Get social workers in there and fix people.


But that’s not the plan is it?

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

What, I didn’t read the thread yet.

 

[Casual Observer]

What, I didn’t read the thread yet.

You said 'going forward'. Stick £100 in the server kitty and we'll say no more about it.

 

[Chilli.s]

Must cost tens of thousands to stick 3 armed cops on one terrorist for days. Yet no money for prison to do rehabilitation.

Smells like private prisons is gonna be an easy sell to the public.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

I had probably read it somewhere in the news articles I read before coming to post.

It’s a cliched phrase. Yet, the British government’s knee jerk reaction to extend the sentence of any one convicted of terrorism is a scary precedent.

 

[cupid_stunt]

What, I didn’t read the thread yet.

No, it was a reaction to the nonsense you posted.

Get an idiot under active surveillance to commit a terror thingy ( and for future ref, we get to decide what terror is going forward) and boom tough draconian laws.

There're no draconian laws being planned ATM, just a return to how it used to be, i.e. early release should only happen after proper assessment, instead of automatic early release. It would mean this guy, who had been convicted for non-violent terrorism offences, would have been dealt with in the same way as those convicted of serious violent & sexual offences.

At the time of this cunt's release there were major concerns about the danger he might pose to the public, hence the 20 man team assigned to watch him, but there were no legal mechanisms to keep him in prison, despite the fact he had only served half his sentence.

How about actual fucking rehabilitation in prison? Get social workers in there and fix people.

There are rehabilitation schemes in prison, one operated by University of Cambridge academics has been running for over 5 years, one former prisoner was so successful on this scheme, that after release he had his London-wide ban lifted after being granted a one-day exemption to attend a conference to highlight and celebrate this
particular offender rehabilitation scheme.

That was held on 29 November 2019 in Fishmongers' Hall, at the northern end of London Bridge, and the rest is history.

 

[LDC]

Must cost tens of thousands to stick 3 armed cops on one terrorist for days. Yet no money for prison to do rehabilitation.

Assuming de-radicalization works in all cases...

How about actual fucking rehabilitation in prison? Get social workers in there and fix people.

Social workers?! We're not talking drug and alcohol work ffs.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Yet, the British government’s knee jerk reaction to extend the sentence of any one convicted of terrorism is a scary precedent.

And, yet, that is not what they doing, they are just ending the automatic early release, when there are concerns over the risk to the public.

 

[Shechemite]

Get an idiot under active surveillance to commit a terror thingy ( and for future ref, we get to decide what terror is going forward) and boom tough draconian laws.

How about actual fucking rehabilitation in prison? Get social workers in there and fix people.


But that’s not the plan is it?

Stick it to the man!

 

[Shechemite]

Social workers?! We're not talking drug and alcohol work ffs.

Where Boris Sprinkler thinks all these spare social workers are I can’t fathom

 

[Shechemite]

No, it was a reaction to the nonsense you posted.



There're no draconian laws being planned ATM, just a return to how it used to be, i.e. early release should only happen after proper assessment, instead of automatic early release. It would mean this guy, who had been convicted for non-violent terrorism offences, would have been dealt with in the same way as those convicted of serious violent & sexual offences.

At the time of this cunt's release there were major concerns about the danger he might pose to the public, hence the 20 man team assigned to watch him, but there were no legal mechanisms to keep him in prison, despite the fact he had only served half his sentence.



There are rehabilitation schemes in prison, one operated by University of Cambridge academics has been running for over 5 years, one former prisoner was so successful on this scheme, that after release he had his London-wide ban lifted after being granted a one-day exemption to attend a conference to highlight and celebrate this
particular offender rehabilitation scheme.

That was held on 29 November 2019 in Fishmongers' Hall, at the northern end of London Bridge, and the rest is history.

‘Liked’ but not ‘liked’ if that makes sense

 

[The39thStep]

Where Boris Sprinkler thinks all these spare social workers are I can’t fathom

The last thing I would want to let near a jihaadist is a fucking social worker .

 

[Shechemite]

The last thing I would want to let near a jihaadist is a fucking social worker .

I once had a social worker who was blessed(?) with both the appearance and demeanour of particularly indignant Nikita Krushchev.

I’d let him have a crack, Clare in the Community id be less keen on

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Where Boris Sprinkler thinks all these spare social workers are I can’t fathom

I dunno. How much do police cost?

 

[The39thStep]

I dunno. How much do police cost?

Be a bit more as they work weekend and nights , vast majority of social workers dont.

 

[Shechemite]

I dunno. How much do police cost?

Right - so we shift funding from the police to social work (coz police are agents of the state, and social workers aren’t, or something), and your priority would to employ social workers in prisons to ‘de-radicalise’ scum, rather than employ social workers to help families/young people/disabled people/those under MHA/MCA detentions?

This is why people like you are laughed at and despised in equal measure.

 

[Shechemite]

Social workers with catastrophically large case loads just have all the time in the world to go to prisons and help Mr Stabby Suicide-Vest with his empathy skills.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Arrived this morning....

 

[agricola]

And, yet, that is not what they doing, they are just ending the automatic early release, when there are concerns over the risk to the public.

Are they? At least two ministers (Buckland and Gove) have helpfully floated the idea that terrorist prisoners shouldn't be released until the Parole Board deems it safe to do so:

When terrorist offenders are released, we will always ensure that they are subject to the most robust safeguards, and we will consider whether new legislation is required to provide additional assurance. We will also review whether the current maximum penalties and sentencing framework for terrorist offences is sufficient or comprehensive, on the underlying principle that terrorist offenders should no longer be released until the Parole Board is satisfied that they are no longer a risk to the public.

“We need to be able to prove that people are no longer a danger to the public. There is a big difference between those people who are Islamist extremist terrorists and those convicted of other offences.

“If you have people in the grip of an ideology that means they want to kill innocent people in order to advance a particular religious or political view, they are a danger to society. Until they are comprehensively deradicalised and it is safe to have those people on our streets then public protection must come first.”

 

[andysays]

Arrived this morning....

View attachment 197892

Can't read any of that, except that it says Lambeth in the top right.

Any chance of a summary?

 

[CNT36]

This is actually a really good paper - on the evidence of this, jihadis really are the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

It also has this line:
"On the way the trio stopped for snacks and gasoline at a filling station, where Tanweer purchased a packet of “crisps,” then argued with the cashier over his change and looked directly at one of the ubiquitous closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras that blanket Britain."

Good thing Tanweer wasn't a smoker, I suppose.

If you've found a copy I can read without spending £20 I'd appreciate a link please.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Can't read any of that, except that it says Lambeth in the top right.

Any chance of a summary?

it was awful.

feeling affected then call.....

We won't bow down etc etc

Stand united....

love some lambeth cronies...

 

[Idris2002]

If you've found a copy I can read without spending £20 I'd appreciate a link please.

I'm in a cafe right now, but when I get back to base. . .