Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
You're a fucking idiot, & make no mistake.
Operation pillar of cloud. Israeli assault on Gaza
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You're a fucking idiot, & make no mistake.
SpineyNorman
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You daft cunt. Taking the piss out of your ill-informed, ignorant ramblings on the internet does not a fascist make.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Got to wonder, what the standards of evidence and logic are in places where that sort of muddle-headed blather goes unchallenged.
Someone mentioned Harry's place? Are they all so poorly educated there?
Someone mentioned Harry's place? Are they all so poorly educated there?
I concur but so many of you here are motivated by hate above reason its' hardly surprising that you simply reinforce my views. Having a different "world-view" does not make me (or anyone else) either ill-informed or ignorant or Bernie old boy, uneducated.
At least BG doesn't suffer from the constant need to swear. Lets you down it does.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Are you an IDF spokesperson?
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Yeah - the Palestinians.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
No hope for 4yr old Hala Abu Sbeikh, that's for sure.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
If you toss around words like 'fascist', which signify something quite specific historically, in relation to Hamas and anyone else you happen to dislike without the least attempt to justify their applicability, then I'm sorry if you don't like to hear it, but you are going to come across as muddle-headed and ignorant to anyone who has taken the trouble to educate themselves on these topics.
SpineyNorman
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Having a different world view doesn't make you ill-informed or ignorant. It's your ignorance that does that.
You've made a series of extraordinary assertions on this thread and haven't been able to back any of them up. Don't, then, be surprised when people assume you're an ignorant tosser spouting ill-informed shite about subjects of which you have no knowledge whatsoever.
SpineyNorman
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Childish abuse. Not only are you a fucking idiot, you're a hypocrite too.
Actually far from it, though it would require the political will on both sides to reach an amicable agreement leading to the establishment of a viable Israel and Palestinian state living peacefully side by side.
Regretably not in the immediate future it would seem. First the violence on both sides must end.
However a battle needs to had with the Islamists and their apologists.
Regretably not in the immediate future it would seem. First the violence on both sides must end.
However a battle needs to had with the Islamists and their apologists.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I don't see what that has to do with the situation being discussed here, it's hard to think of any ideology that would tolerate what the Palestinians put up with in their day to day existence. If Israel had never helped to establish Hamas do you think that the Palestinians would just lie down and accept their fate?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Doesn't get you off the hook.
Your muddled arguments and lack of historical evidence are not things that people calling you names somehow magically washes away.
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Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
Israel has all the benefits and advantages, and takes advantage. They were given a country where there was one already. I am personally not against that but to treat their neighbours like enemies and second class citizens is unnacceptable. I support the Israelis in their right to dwell in Israel but not at the expense of the Palestinians. The Israel regime is of the same ilk as the bastards who run Britain and America. Dominion, it is the rich against the poor. I believe reconciliation can happen but not under the present criminal, class based system.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Also known on these forums as "the Islamist", it seems.
Perhaps but the lack of seriousness here is to blame.
Or for the Israeli civilian killed either. This conflict causes death on both sides. Unlike you I want to stop it all.
Not a Marxist myself (obviously), so don't see "class war" as a useful replacement for the current conflict.
And finally for tonight. J ED. Yes I do think tackeling Islamism will be central to all this. Islamism is destabilising the entire region in all its' various forms (I include Hamas, and Iranian versions in this). A move towards supporting secualrist and womens' rights movements will be necessary to create the grounds for more open and democratic thinking. I know that the backwards ideas of religion (Islam is not alone in this before anyone shouts some sort of phobia at me) will not be changed overnight.
Equally, in Israel the settler movement needs to be stopped expanding and the influence of religion likewise sidelined. Keeping God out of the argument will (hopefully) lead to a more rational debate between the warring parties.
We ain't going to solve the I/P problems on this thread, but there is a need to look forward to the future now rather than just hark on about the past. If lives are going to be saved its' by bringing people together, not keeping them apart.
So up to you. Discuss or abuse (far too common at Urban), some of you are capable of reason even if there are clearly those that aren't.
A Merry Holiday to you all.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
At least you had a laugh. Thats what really counts. Well done you.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Meanwhile, Israel is celebrating xmas by murdering Palestinian children again ...
Could I just point out that Hamas have not retaliated and that the escalation was from the Israeli side. Hamas are policing a ceasefire even while Israel launches air strikes.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we established dominion is a tosser long ago
Hamas are planning to and don't lie about them policing a ceasefire. They constantly break it either themselves or through their various proxies.
No one's celebrating anything, except perhaps Hamas who manage to dupe the left
All this shows once again the left is incapable of reason when it comes to the I/P conflict, but then armchair "anti-imperialists" need someone else to fight their battles.
Israelis and Palestinians will reach a peaceful agreement one day, but it will be despite, not because of the left.
Not according to Israeli intelligence.
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/...has-no-interest-in-escalating-tensions-336077
It has lasted over a year already. Don't you think this is remarkable? Air strikes and civilian deaths and no retaliation from Hamas? Would any country in the world tolerate this?
As a rational person do you not think that since you have misread the situation that you should reconsider your position?
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