DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
It seemed more that Benny was puffing out his chest for the coming elections. Stir up the nationalism in Israel, make those floating voters steer to the right.
Operation pillar of cloud. Israeli assault on Gaza
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It seemed more that Benny was puffing out his chest for the coming elections. Stir up the nationalism in Israel, make those floating voters steer to the right.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
If so, why would he stop now, and hand Hamas a clear propaganda victory?
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I don't think it is a victory. From the perspective of the floating voter who would not be total blood thirsty hawk Benny did the right thing.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Although I could be totally wrong I accept that.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
They have loads and armoured cars to hide in and watch towers etc
Cs gas stun grenades etc not usually lethal or better still glowering at them from a distance
No need for lethal force because somebodys been a cunt (from your prespective)
Its not like that fence is the only thing between israel and the palesntic hordes.
Probably some pissed off squaddie wanting a kill
dylans
overlord of all acorns
dylans
overlord of all acorns
It also underlines the fact that the siege remains the ongoing source of conflict.They have loads and armoured cars to hide in and watch towers etc
Cs gas stun grenades etc not usually lethal or better still glowering at them from a distance
No need for lethal force because somebodys been a cunt (from your prespective)
Its not like that fence is the only thing between israel and the palesntic hordes.
Probably some pissed off squaddie wanting a kill
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I'm slighty wary of taking that article at face value.
It could be deemed as selling the deal to the right.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Of course. Morsi was facing a difficult situation. He would have to choose to either open the border and see Sinai become a battleground was well as a refugee camp or keep it closed and appear to be supporting Israel. Morsi knew this would make his own position impossible so was on the phone to the US and the US were on the phone to Israel.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Its just obvious geopolitics. The region has changed. The US is afraid that a new blood bath would ignite the region. Jordan is on the brink. Egypt would be dragged in. The US did a calculation and decided Gaza wasn't worth risking the region blowing up over and told the Israeli's no. Israel does as its told.
Which also underlines the central role the US plays in prolonging this conflict. They could, if they wanted, end the settlement expansions with a phone call.
They have always needed the Americans, so will listen to them in return for Obama keeping to the line of the previous president. As for Egypt, the Israelis will be very wary of them because of the lasting peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. They don't want to open up another front while the Middle East is in its present unstable condition.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Egypt becoming MB opens up possibilities other than a war on Israel. Short of a bloodbath, or cancelling the 1979 Egypt could make things very very annoying for the USA, and for many other great powers, if they simply start to get truculent and unhelpful. It's a major and powerful state with a crucial location, and the fact that the USA was able to keep it bribed into silence for 30 years is a bit of a major success.
So, if the P.A. was to be made illegitimate by voters in Gaza and the West bank, what would happen to the Camp David/Oslo precedents?
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=292983
"Analysis: Military op ends, election campaign begins"
Kinda backs up my thinking.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Fuck knows, i'd have to look at it.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
likesfish
You can't park here sir
The israeli defence of killng somebody for trying to climb the fence was it was a zerg rush of 300 pals armed with a flag attempting to climb the fence so we fired warning shots and then shot them n the legs
Cs gas tends to deter fence climbing or making sure the fence isnt climbable in the first place concertina wire is your friend there.
Of course sorting out the gaza abd the west bank would be a better idea but thats not going to happen any time soon.
Cs gas tends to deter fence climbing or making sure the fence isnt climbable in the first place concertina wire is your friend there.
Of course sorting out the gaza abd the west bank would be a better idea but thats not going to happen any time soon.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
The PA is illegitimate. His electoral mandate ran out in 2009 and he refuses to call elections. There was supposed to be Presidential elections this year but they weren't held. There were supposed to be parliamentary elections in 2010 and again in 2012 and they weren't held either.
The fear of Hamas winning is the principle reason Abbas won't hold them. If Hamas won then yeah Oslo would be thrown out and Israel would resume direct occupation. Oslo makes the PA into collaborators with the occupation. They police the West Bank for Israel. 20 years since Oslo all it has achieved is the massive expansion of settlements across the West Bank under the cover of meaningless negotiations. Oslo is a con job on Palestinians.
Edit Oops replied to wrong post
elbows
Well-Known Member
I have no desire to defend Abbas, and PA corruption is legendary. But when it comes to elections I should point out that some of the problems are down to Hamas boycotting them.
There was a local election in the West Bank in October but Hamas boycotted it. In some places there were not enough candidates to even hold local elections, whilst in others the voters got to choose between official Fatah candidates and ex-Fatah members who had been kicked out. In three areas the official Fatah candidates were defeated, even without Hamas fielding candidates, so that gives some indication of how popular they are these days.
It is notable and disgraceful that although some of these details are mentioned in our press, they are not dwelt on, and if it were not for people such as yourself reminding us that Abbas's mandate ran out years ago, I doubt many people outside the region would even be aware of it.
Regardless of what anyones personal opinions about Abbas, the PA and accords such as the Oslo ones are, I think it is fair to say that what completely scuppered Abbas's approach to peace was a complete lack of political will from Israel & the US for many years now. That he went much further than we could reasonably expect the Palestinians to go, but was hung out to dry by his 'partners', speaks volumes. For a while it was possible to blame a particular strain of right-wing politicians in the US & Israel for this, but Obama's utter failure to breath fresh life into the process tells us plenty.
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