Operation pillar of cloud. Israeli assault on Gaza
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sunny jim
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That and the psycohological effect it might have had on the residents of Gaza.
elbows
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Well the brief statement from Clinton is what you would expect. De-escalation remains the buzzword of the day, and the main ingredients that vary from the past are the advertising of the Iron Dome system and the emphasis on the role Egypt can play. Improvements to the daily living conditions of Palestinians did get a mention.
catinthehat
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Good collection of images from round the world - appreciate that its Anonymous which will annoy some.
elbows
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A piece from an AlJazeera English reporter on the mistakes journalists make when trying to give a balanced picture of this conflict:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sherine-tadros/gaza-war-coverage_b_2167036.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sherine-tadros/gaza-war-coverage_b_2167036.html
catinthehat
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Greg Philo alludes to the same sort of thing. He got a document from the Israeli Public Relations bods - a very slick machine - and showed how all spokespersons were given 'suitable words and phrases' to use - such as the use of Hamas rather than Palestine as mentioned in the article you linked. Even when the evidence of the action is going to pull public opinion (such as pictures of dead children) the PR machine generates a 'reason' why this has happened which blames Hamas (children used as human shield, arms stored in house, militants use premises etc).
http://www.glasgowmediagroup.org/content/view/38/46/ (Precis of his study.)
teqniq
DisMembered
Photos from the Egyptian convoy to Gaza
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gigiibrahim/sets/72157632058877000/show/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gigiibrahim/sets/72157632058877000/show/
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Movement for reform judaism have issued an updated statement, a lot less zionist this time, still blaming the israeli attacks on "the consequences of hamas action" but a bit more implied criticism here
as i've said before i think a lot of this is political for various reasons ... some of it is of course zionist sentiments and that sort of thing but the denomination has various ongoing beef with the israeli government on unrelated topics which are compeltely unrelated to gaza - so this could be them trying to patch things up, who knows tbh. there is a bit of a subtext of criticism tho
also think that rather than being directed at palestinians the main criticism could be directed at the likes of the zionist federation and so on ... note the bit about how they say we have all got to live in the same neighbourhood and that
The Rabbis of the Assembly of Reform Rabbis UK join Jews worldwide in our deep concern for our brothers and sisters in Israel at this time of violent conflict. Torah commands us 'do not stand idly by while the blood of your neighbour is being shed' and two verses later 'love your neighbour as yourself'. These verses apply to everyone in this fearful situation, both Israelis and Gazans, however hard this is to recognise in a time of war.
It is these neighbouring peoples who will have to make peace with each other in the future. We cannot stand idly by while Israel is attacked and must constantly support and care about all of the peoples of our Land. We also cannot stand idly by while Gazans of all political shades suffer the consequences of Hamas action. We offer our support to the peace makers at the grassroots and among the leadership of both societies and those who support them.
We are deeply concerned that once this particular struggle is over, and may that day be soon, unless there is real progress towards a long-term solution, Israelis and Palestinians will be doomed to an endless cycle of debilitating conflicts. Together we must work beyond the history which has divided us. We will always be living in the same neighbourhood. If we cannot turn hatred into love may we at least learn to be deeply concerned that the others' blood must not be spilt.
Rabbi Mark Goldsmith, Chair on behalf of the Assembly of Reform Rabbis UK
as i've said before i think a lot of this is political for various reasons ... some of it is of course zionist sentiments and that sort of thing but the denomination has various ongoing beef with the israeli government on unrelated topics which are compeltely unrelated to gaza - so this could be them trying to patch things up, who knows tbh. there is a bit of a subtext of criticism tho
also think that rather than being directed at palestinians the main criticism could be directed at the likes of the zionist federation and so on ... note the bit about how they say we have all got to live in the same neighbourhood and that
The Rabbis of the Assembly of Reform Rabbis UK join Jews worldwide in our deep concern for our brothers and sisters in Israel at this time of violent conflict. Torah commands us 'do not stand idly by while the blood of your neighbour is being shed' and two verses later 'love your neighbour as yourself'. These verses apply to everyone in this fearful situation, both Israelis and Gazans, however hard this is to recognise in a time of war.
It is these neighbouring peoples who will have to make peace with each other in the future. We cannot stand idly by while Israel is attacked and must constantly support and care about all of the peoples of our Land. We also cannot stand idly by while Gazans of all political shades suffer the consequences of Hamas action. We offer our support to the peace makers at the grassroots and among the leadership of both societies and those who support them.
We are deeply concerned that once this particular struggle is over, and may that day be soon, unless there is real progress towards a long-term solution, Israelis and Palestinians will be doomed to an endless cycle of debilitating conflicts. Together we must work beyond the history which has divided us. We will always be living in the same neighbourhood. If we cannot turn hatred into love may we at least learn to be deeply concerned that the others' blood must not be spilt.
Rabbi Mark Goldsmith, Chair on behalf of the Assembly of Reform Rabbis UK
elbows
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catinthehat
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I think its often subtle and about lack of context - its easy to forget how little a lot of people know about the context, history etc - some of my students did research in this area a few years ago - asking people to id territories on maps, who is the occupier in OT and so on and most didn't have a clue yet were more than happy to express an opinion which tended to be pro Israel on the grounds that Palestine was 'militant or terrorist'. And they get their ideas from mainstream media - so there is some process going on even if its not obvious bias in your face. I have been pretty shocked to be asked by staff (students I could understand) what is going on in terms of the background.to be fair i think the media coverage of the conflict has got a lot less biased in recent years (apart from the bbcand i doubt that sort of PR is going to cause anything other than revulsion in people who aren't already convinced zionists
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
aye i just thought i'd post it, because i cant figure out what they're trying to say here ... i think it's aimed at their own congregants rather than anyone else ...
elbows
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Yeah it seems to me just like the usual religious message of peace, which history shows is not terribly effective. Or rather the love and restraint it preaches does not affect those who most need to be restrained. It can be of use under the right conditions, and breaking the cycle is clearly vital, but it offers little that could bring those conditions about in the first place.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I find the accepted premise trotted out by our media pretty odious. They talk of a military struggle between two sides locked in conflict, not of an advanced and powerful military force attacking the inhabitants of what is essentially a concentration camp. They are calling this 'war'.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Reading that article is easier now than when comments open. And a wave of frothy zionists engulf it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
i think it's aimed at people who go to their synagogues rather than bibi and co. it's an improvement from the original statement which supported israel's actions, but ... well, yeah.
teqniq
DisMembered
Yes, this is true.
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
Like the American press reported that 'war had broken out' when the USA/Britain invaded Iraq....
elbows
Well-Known Member
Disney should sue them, that looks like the movie Ratatouille to me.
Meanwhile some are trying to claim that Palestinians managed to hack several Israeli TV channels, and have 'video proof' but this seems most implausible to me and suspect the 'evidence' has been faked in the most basic way.
Meanwhile some are trying to claim that Palestinians managed to hack several Israeli TV channels, and have 'video proof' but this seems most implausible to me and suspect the 'evidence' has been faked in the most basic way.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
probably gonna get some flack for this, but i think part of that is also due to some of the messages (or rather, the way that they are presented) of the various palestinian "solidarity" organisations in the uk, rather than anything israel could come up with ... not entirely ... but it is a bit ... i can think of a number of examples tbh
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