Operation pillar of cloud. Israeli assault on Gaza

[teqniq]

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdC...=R1&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
My god... how do you begin to try and broker any kind of peace with attitudes like this

Yes, well I dunno really. With this in mind, please take a bit of time to watch this vid. I thought of posting it in the football sub-forum but as I am not even remotely a football fan I thought better of it. I don't wish to derail the thread, so if anyone thinks it is worthy of further discussion, perhaps another thread would be appropriate.

 

[weepiper]

Yes, well I dunno really. With this in mind, please take a bit of time to watch this vid. I thought of posting it in the football sub-forum but as I am not even remotely a football fan I thought better of it. I don't wish to derail the thread, so if anyone thinks it is worthy of further discussion, perhaps another thread would be appropriate.

really interesting. La Familia seem like a kind of Israeli EDL.

 

[teqniq]

really interesting. La Familia seem like a kind of Israeli EDL.

Yup, my thought too

 

[teqniq]

Anyway whilst the above imo gives a certain amount of background to the Israeli psyche, in Gaza right now they are enjoying shells from the sea:

mosaaberizing
Israeli warships have now started their regular after-midnight shelling on Gaza.

Good photographer btw.... and also from a random Irish bloke and entirely pertinent:

mkearly2008
Trying to imagine what the world reaction would have been had the Royal Navy started shelling the Bogside from Lough Foyle in 1972.

 

[elbows]

If you want to understand the mindset of Netanyahu himself, could do worse than this from 1978:

 

[elbows]

Its also worth watching that video because you can see how the arab spring broke one of the pillars he built his position on.

 

[twentythreedom]

ITV news leading with Gaza casualties, emphasis on child victims..

 

[Treacle Toes]

MartinLinton ‏@martinlinton
Who's aggressor, who's victim? Here's a clue. Palestinians killed by Israelis in last 10 yrs: 3,434. Israelis by Palestinians 78. (UN figs)

 

[agricola]

If you want to understand the mindset of Netanyahu himself, could do worse than this from 1978:

Wonder why he used a different name? If that video is from 1978, its only a few years after his brother died.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Its also worth watching that video because you can see how the arab spring broke one of the pillars he built his position on.

Thanks I will, just not tonight, I am raging already and it will already cause insomnia. Gonna wind down now and pick it up tomorrow.

 

[elbows]

Wonder why he used a different name? If that video is from 1978, its only a few years after his brother died.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=137438

Netanyahu applied to have his name changed to "Ben Nitay" in the 1970s while living in America. His historian father, Benzion, occasionally wrote using the alias "Nitay," and Binyamin Netanyahu adopted the name because Americans found it easier to pronounce.

 

[dylans]

Jerusalem post calls for the mass murder of Gazan civilians . They are fucking insane

There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire.

Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant – but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?ID=292466&R=R1

 

[elbows]

Thats written by one of Ariel Sharon's sons.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Sharons son^^^^

 

[Treacle Toes]

How the BBC is re-writing history in its reporting of Israel's assault on Gaza

http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/..._in_its_reporting_of_israels_assault_on_gaza/

 

[teqniq]

something better than a full-stop to put in here:

Beltrew
Almost 400 of us, mostly Egyptian activists in AlShifa hospital #gaza for solidarity rally.We got convoy through rafah,who would've thought?

 

[ViolentPanda]

and of course holding the nuclear ace although deploying that in situ would be mental you can't discount the reaction of some state that feels cornered.


I'm no military mind, I played a game of medal of honour once, but how much value do the reservists have really? Surely drafts from a mandatory service x amount of years ago are likely to be shit outs who want to go home, right now

Reserve service lasts until you're 43, IIRC, with 4-8 weeks of active service a year.

 

[DexterTCN]

It's not a spoiler but it's a difficult picture to look at so be warned.

Spoiler

[/apoiler]
they're dead

 

[elbows]

The buzzing of the drones is quite apparent on the live feed right now.

http://rt.com/on-air/israel-gaza-live/

I believe this feed is actually provided via AP, its not RT's own. I note that Harry Fear was using it earlier, cropping off the watermarks, and AlJazeera were linking to Harry as their live feed (They've not been good for live coverage themselves at all so far)

 

[teqniq]

Fair enough Dexter. I can't give it a 'like' either.

 

[DexterTCN]

Fair enough Dexter. I can't give it a 'like' either.

heartbreaking

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Yeah...

 

[Red Storm]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the Vice documentary which came out in July, 2012. Very interesting, talks about rockets and israeli response attacks.

 

[DexterTCN]

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/...za/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

400 Egyptians cross the border

 

[ska invita]

Its also worth watching that video because you can see how the arab spring broke one of the pillars he built his position on.

how do you mean elbows?

 

[weltweit]

It's not a spoiler but it's a difficult picture to look at so be warned. they're dead

Grisly picture - but without something further we can only make assumptions, I know what I would assume - but - is there a story behind it ?

 

[SpineyNorman]

how do you mean elbows?

I'm sure elbows will reply but I took it to mean that Israel is no longer the only 'democracy' in the region. Might be wrong though.

 

[weepiper]

I believe it's the children from this incident

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20386755

 

[SpineyNorman]

Grisly picture - but without something further we can only make assumptions, I know what I would assume - but - is there a story behind it ?

Yes. Some children got killed by the IDF. The rest is just background noise really.

 

[elbows]

I'm sure elbows will reply but I took it to mean that Israel is no longer the only 'democracy' in the region. Might be wrong though.

Yep. Obviously not exactly proper democracies in many senses of the word but then again neither is ours.