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Grandma Death
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Erm no...I wasn't asking that question.
My point is (in case you've have missed-which clearly you have) is that you claim that in most cases where arab non combatants and the occasional foreigner have been killed there is NO conclusive proof the IDF have killed them. Are you still standing by that statement. Yes or no (and Yes or No Means Yes or No-its not a licence to waffle....)
Well no change there.....you're above providing evidence-how could I forget?
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
No you're sooo wrong. Rach is right. Rock speeds have been tested-and although the device used to measure their speed is periodically faulty ( hence Rach's different claims ) it matters not a jot. The devices are hurled at fast speeds and the IDF have something much much faster than those pesky stone throwers.....
Grandma Death
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Care to answer this question please Rach?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You obviously haven't seen a Palestinian kid with a slingshot. They're awesome. They're also entirely non-lethal to soldiers in jeeps or wearing body armour.
You cannot stop the kids throwing stones - it's an entirely futile but equally vital form of psychological resistance. It terrifies the adults - a lot of kids are killed or permanently disabled by those brave Israeli soldiers - but the alternative is to lock them in the house until the Occupation goes away.
Stone throwing is pretty much the extent of the "violent" resistance to the army in the West Bank. In Gaza the soldiers won't leave their vehicles - because Gaza is actually armed. The West Bank isn't - the soldiers don't even bother with helmets much of the time, as there just isn't much of a threat.
To justify the use of live ammunition by reference to stone-throwing is pathetic.
TP: "An entire neighbourhood was destroyed!": Um, no it was not. I asked you for proof. In another current thread you provided 2 pictures. One was a recycled (by you) picture of 3 lots in what looks to be Beirut. 3 lots? And your second was a satellite image of a neighbourhood that could be Beirut but it does not show anything demolished. Again, please provide PROOF.
"It is a shame that those 10 year old 'Palestinian' stone throwers did not have their own nation, or they could have won Olympic medals.":Well, at least you got one thing correct; They have never had a nation. As for throwing, welol if the Olympics ever allows Mid-Eastern slings than they might have a shot.
"Power Cuts are deemed Collective Punishment.": Israel has never cut power to Gaza. PIJ happened to blow up conduits though, and that might be what is confusing you. Even though THEY blowed up those conduits, Israel only supplies less than 65% of Gazan electricity. Even with the blown conduits, most Gazans never saw an interruption in service. Electrcity by the way is not a Human Right, it is aluxury that depends on payment of services. Israel provides up to 65% of Gazan electrcity needs free of charge. Hmmm...
"Water cuts are a form of Collective Punishment.": That is true but then Israel does not provide Gazan water. They have an aquifier under their sliver of land and many wells, all of which have been built and maintained by Israel until the HAMAS Coup.
"Blockades are Collective Punishment.": Nope. Israel provides all basic needs. Travel is not a right but a privledge and is dependant upon a reciprocating eneity. Where will they go? Egypt? Aside form the 2 days , that ended yesterday, Egypt does not want a single Gazan entering their nation. They did allow 300 humanitrian cases to enter over the 2 days but even they had alot of trouble. Egyptians are not stupid.
So called "WB"? Sorry, the PA does not want the,.
Israel? Riiiiight.
By sea? Well Israel DID set a precedent with the granting of entry to the 2 boatloads of Freign do-gooders last week, and when those 2 boats left they DID take I believe 14 Gazans but they were Humanitarian cases. Israel has not changed its policy of containment in lieu of law and order in Gaza. WHEN Gazans elect to remove the HAMAS cancer from their midst they will once again be welcomed to exercise the privelege of travel.
Panda: "The weight of granite, etc...":: I had no idea that on top of your Masters in English you had a PhD in Geology as well! Way to go!!! Oh! Since you are so knowledgeable about EVERYTHING, please tell us the unifrom size assigned to a "Fist." Thanks in advance.
"It is a shame that those 10 year old 'Palestinian' stone throwers did not have their own nation, or they could have won Olympic medals.":Well, at least you got one thing correct; They have never had a nation. As for throwing, welol if the Olympics ever allows Mid-Eastern slings than they might have a shot.
"Power Cuts are deemed Collective Punishment.": Israel has never cut power to Gaza. PIJ happened to blow up conduits though, and that might be what is confusing you. Even though THEY blowed up those conduits, Israel only supplies less than 65% of Gazan electricity. Even with the blown conduits, most Gazans never saw an interruption in service. Electrcity by the way is not a Human Right, it is aluxury that depends on payment of services. Israel provides up to 65% of Gazan electrcity needs free of charge. Hmmm...
"Water cuts are a form of Collective Punishment.": That is true but then Israel does not provide Gazan water. They have an aquifier under their sliver of land and many wells, all of which have been built and maintained by Israel until the HAMAS Coup.
"Blockades are Collective Punishment.": Nope. Israel provides all basic needs. Travel is not a right but a privledge and is dependant upon a reciprocating eneity. Where will they go? Egypt? Aside form the 2 days , that ended yesterday, Egypt does not want a single Gazan entering their nation. They did allow 300 humanitrian cases to enter over the 2 days but even they had alot of trouble. Egyptians are not stupid.
So called "WB"? Sorry, the PA does not want the,.
Israel? Riiiiight.
By sea? Well Israel DID set a precedent with the granting of entry to the 2 boatloads of Freign do-gooders last week, and when those 2 boats left they DID take I believe 14 Gazans but they were Humanitarian cases. Israel has not changed its policy of containment in lieu of law and order in Gaza. WHEN Gazans elect to remove the HAMAS cancer from their midst they will once again be welcomed to exercise the privelege of travel.
Panda: "The weight of granite, etc...":: I had no idea that on top of your Masters in English you had a PhD in Geology as well! Way to go!!! Oh! Since you are so knowledgeable about EVERYTHING, please tell us the unifrom size assigned to a "Fist." Thanks in advance.
Laptop: "10% of Jenin Camp was dozed in 2002.": I was there, on that operation (Defencive Shield), as well as Shechem in the same Op. 10% of the Camp was dozed, yes, but not in one section. Most of the demos happened when D9s swept alleys for IEDs and Nests, not house demoing. There was a couple though, one that I remember when they dropped the house on top of 2 wanted militants who refused to surrender and kept firing.
Even the Peacenik NGOs were openly declaring the Camp rife with illegal militancy. The Camp was called "Martyr's Capital" by militants.In the previous 6 months there had been 100 odd Suicide Operations, 28 of which firmly and directly emanated from that Camp. We had a single D9 hit 124 Detonating IEDs in just over a single kilometer!!! Of course the Camp was going to be neutralised by any means neccessary!
Our taking down houses had large dividends. A single house had its face pelled by a D9 and 39 militants were stunned into a stupor and surrendered like mice. Others were fully boobytrapped. So, the 10% your article is talking about is true, but not in any one area. I would think the most effected area in that sense would be Hawasheen District and that maybe had a 3% takedown and that is not a whole lot on the face of things. We would have been fully within our rights in terms of International Law had we demolished the entire Camp, forced their entire relocation, and be done with it. Instead we sent in Infantry, of which I was part, and lost men (15, 13 in a single engagement).
Even the Peacenik NGOs were openly declaring the Camp rife with illegal militancy. The Camp was called "Martyr's Capital" by militants.In the previous 6 months there had been 100 odd Suicide Operations, 28 of which firmly and directly emanated from that Camp. We had a single D9 hit 124 Detonating IEDs in just over a single kilometer!!! Of course the Camp was going to be neutralised by any means neccessary!
Our taking down houses had large dividends. A single house had its face pelled by a D9 and 39 militants were stunned into a stupor and surrendered like mice. Others were fully boobytrapped. So, the 10% your article is talking about is true, but not in any one area. I would think the most effected area in that sense would be Hawasheen District and that maybe had a 3% takedown and that is not a whole lot on the face of things. We would have been fully within our rights in terms of International Law had we demolished the entire Camp, forced their entire relocation, and be done with it. Instead we sent in Infantry, of which I was part, and lost men (15, 13 in a single engagement).
Grandma: "Is Rachamim still standing behind his staement that there is no proof that Israel is at all responsible for most deaths attributed to it in the case of either 'Palestinians' Or foreigners?": YES. I will repeat it: Y-E-S.
"Provide a link about 'Palestinians' going into kindergartens and killing Jewish toddlers," or riflebutts with toddler brain matter...": I do not have to, as you highlighted, because it is very easily had with a simple search. I know you like to play games but if you truly care, simply use any search engine you like.
As for your nonsense replying to "Fraction," about speeds of rocks, you are not cute. You are supposed to be an adult. This is an issue that kills people, you might try recognising the gravity of the dynamic. Radar Guns ar elike any other electronic eevice, they can be faulty but speeds have been recorded quite often by many, many, many people. Again, if you doubt me, and that of course is your choice, research the issue. I would prefer you do that anyway.
"Provide a link about 'Palestinians' going into kindergartens and killing Jewish toddlers," or riflebutts with toddler brain matter...": I do not have to, as you highlighted, because it is very easily had with a simple search. I know you like to play games but if you truly care, simply use any search engine you like.
As for your nonsense replying to "Fraction," about speeds of rocks, you are not cute. You are supposed to be an adult. This is an issue that kills people, you might try recognising the gravity of the dynamic. Radar Guns ar elike any other electronic eevice, they can be faulty but speeds have been recorded quite often by many, many, many people. Again, if you doubt me, and that of course is your choice, research the issue. I would prefer you do that anyway.
YMU: "Stone throwers are totally non-lethal to soldiers in armour, etc...": Which soldiers wear armour on their faces? Maybe one day you will actually expereince it for yourself. How do jeeps prevent anything? Most of our jeeps have no sides. Rocks dent our M113s so I do not know what your point is.
"Occupation.": Tell me, when did terrorism against Israel start? When was the PLO founded? Care to answer?
"The alternative is to lock kids up until Israelis go away.":Why do you see that as bad? I am a parent and would not dream of allowing my kids to run wild. Children can play in their yeards or in front of their home, without joining in acts of violence. Your attempt at making excuses for criminals is sad. Anyone that allows their child to engage in acts of violence deserves to lose their kids. Terrible parents.
What about infants made to dress up as Suicide Bombers? Do you see that as "innocent" as well?
"Stone throwing is about the extent of Resistance in thge so called 'WB'.": Riiiight, that Molotovs and Aks. Got it, thanks for the tip. You said you have been there, right?
"Sodliers do not even bother with helmets most of the time.": Now I know you have never been there (actually you reveled that a long time ago but this si just further proof). Not wearing your helmet off base in the so called "WB" will result in 30 days in Prison in the first offence. It just increases many times over with subsequent incidents but 2 will get you redeployed and your Security Clearance yanked. So guess again.
"Occupation.": Tell me, when did terrorism against Israel start? When was the PLO founded? Care to answer?
"The alternative is to lock kids up until Israelis go away.":Why do you see that as bad? I am a parent and would not dream of allowing my kids to run wild. Children can play in their yeards or in front of their home, without joining in acts of violence. Your attempt at making excuses for criminals is sad. Anyone that allows their child to engage in acts of violence deserves to lose their kids. Terrible parents.
What about infants made to dress up as Suicide Bombers? Do you see that as "innocent" as well?
"Stone throwing is about the extent of Resistance in thge so called 'WB'.": Riiiight, that Molotovs and Aks. Got it, thanks for the tip. You said you have been there, right?
"Sodliers do not even bother with helmets most of the time.": Now I know you have never been there (actually you reveled that a long time ago but this si just further proof). Not wearing your helmet off base in the so called "WB" will result in 30 days in Prison in the first offence. It just increases many times over with subsequent incidents but 2 will get you redeployed and your Security Clearance yanked. So guess again.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Really?
Two of them got demoted, but neither is in prison for not wearing a helmet.
I'm beginning to think it's you who haven't been to the West Bank Rach. How many homes in a refugee camp have yards at all, let alone out of range of the soldiers that rampage through them regularly? Wide streets are they? Lots of parks and gardens to act as a buffer zone?
Now go on - tell us how many soldiers have been killed by stone-throwers.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Really?
Two of them got demoted, but none of them is in prison for not wearing a helmet.
I'm beginning to think it's you who haven't been to the West Bank Rach. How many homes in a refugee camp have yards at all, let alone out of range of the soldiers that rampage through them regularly? Wide streets are they? Lots of parks and gardens to act as a buffer zone?
Now go on - tell us how many soldiers have been killed by stone-throwers.
YMU: "Really?": I would imagine, had you actually bneen there, you would know the basic difference between MAGAV and TZACHAL.
I have not been to the so called "WB?" Right...
I have not been to the so called "WB?" Right...
YMU: "How many homes in Camps have yards?": Again, you have not been there. You believe Camps are made of tents? Camps are neighbourhoods like any other. This past weekend when Gazans were going into Egypt, where did they wait? In a strip mall, but wait, it was a Camp! Plenty of homes in many Camps have backyards, as well as tiny front yards. Usually the bigger clans and oldest inhabitants of that area have the best plots. There is no unfirom size of dwelling or land surrounding it.
What does wide streets have to do with yards? In fact, SOME Camps do have wide streets but that has nothing to do with anything, just you grasping for straws. Whatever. You been there, you have not, either way you are wrong.
What does wide streets have to do with yards? In fact, SOME Camps do have wide streets but that has nothing to do with anything, just you grasping for straws. Whatever. You been there, you have not, either way you are wrong.
YMU: ":How many soldiers have been killed by stone throwers.": Last one that I am aware of happend in the first week of July, 2005, an Ethiopian born Infantryman in the so called "WB" where according to you soldiers routinely do not wear helmets. Would you also like the last Israeli civlian killed by stones?
What's the betting Rachamim uses a semantics-based argument to get out of this one?
You win
Apparently the... actually, it's a totally crap semantic argument incapable of summary because meaningless - hence the immediate move to justification of whatever-it-was.I bet rachamimAH does not produce links to International Court of Justice opinions justifying his assertion that whatever he did in Jenin, if in fact he was there, was legal.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Well, that was more complicated than it ought to be.
Here's some of those lovely soldier boys, making themselves comfortable in someone's house.
This is what they were doing. The holes in the walls are tunnels through the houses. The soldiers break their way in through the walls, and then through the rooms, and then onto next door. Note the arrows and numbers indicating the various routes through people's homes.
And here's what the kids were up to. Kids, eh?
I'll try to work out how to get the vids uploaded. That APC in the background is breaking through a row of shop fronts - I got some of it on film.
YMU: I realise you have no military background whatsoever but soldiers all over the world ensconce themselves in civilian edifices when alternative biouvac is not availiable, or prudent. Owners are paid well for the time they are inconveienced and the IDF has extremely strict regulations concerning the use of civilian edifices. IF a soldier even turns on, off, or changes the channel on a TV they CAN be sent to IDF prison. Usually though they are fined a very large amount of money, all the more so when people performing their Active Duty only get a tiny bit and a phone card on their initial day of Induction, and only a token amount to cover Shabbat travel everafter.
"The APC in YMU's picture is breaking through shoppe walls.": WRONG. While Engineering will soemtimes (quite rarely) use an APC they are never used to Mousehole, we use Plastique, what we call "fingers" to blow through. An APC cannot do the job. The only real time you will find an APC with Engineering is when a site is demined, and so on but never M113s because of their lack of protection. AKs pierce them so imagine what a mine could do.
As for the "explanation" again in your last post, it is called Mouseholing and we use "fingers," not APCs.
Laptop: Why would you imagine I would ever post any links to the Hague over Jenin? Nothing of the sort exists so how could it even be possible to post something? Jenin was entirely legal, and indeed the usual NGOs who whine say as much even when taking issue with particular operational movements.
Was I there? I have made no secret about my Brigade or my Battalion so do the homework yourself. For the record, NACHAL, 50th G'dud. We were a spearead in that operation. It involved about 1000 soldiers and a sizable auxililary on the permieter.
I do not know how old you are but you might want to consider that the ICJ does not issue Opnions on what IS legal, only the opposite.
"The APC in YMU's picture is breaking through shoppe walls.": WRONG. While Engineering will soemtimes (quite rarely) use an APC they are never used to Mousehole, we use Plastique, what we call "fingers" to blow through. An APC cannot do the job. The only real time you will find an APC with Engineering is when a site is demined, and so on but never M113s because of their lack of protection. AKs pierce them so imagine what a mine could do.
As for the "explanation" again in your last post, it is called Mouseholing and we use "fingers," not APCs.
Laptop: Why would you imagine I would ever post any links to the Hague over Jenin? Nothing of the sort exists so how could it even be possible to post something? Jenin was entirely legal, and indeed the usual NGOs who whine say as much even when taking issue with particular operational movements.
Was I there? I have made no secret about my Brigade or my Battalion so do the homework yourself. For the record, NACHAL, 50th G'dud. We were a spearead in that operation. It involved about 1000 soldiers and a sizable auxililary on the permieter.
I do not know how old you are but you might want to consider that the ICJ does not issue Opnions on what IS legal, only the opposite.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
There we go - I put the on youtube. Quite a good selection of other vids of Balata there too.
E2A: Oh the joy - here's what Rach says happens. Just for comparison, like. You'd think he'd have had the brains to wait until I'd posted the video.
E2A: Oh the joy - here's what Rach says happens. Just for comparison, like. You'd think he'd have had the brains to wait until I'd posted the video.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
[FUCK - edited by mistake - will restore as close as possible - these are the pics Rach has been commenting on]
A couple of the shopfronts after the APC had finished.
The soldiers have just broken through from the living room to the kitchen. It is blurred because I am turning away in alarm as the soldiers start to come through the hole.
The state of some of the rooms.
On the road to Balata. Why?
The penalty for double-parking in Balata.
A couple of the shopfronts after the APC had finished.
The soldiers have just broken through from the living room to the kitchen. It is blurred because I am turning away in alarm as the soldiers start to come through the hole.
The state of some of the rooms.
On the road to Balata. Why?
The penalty for double-parking in Balata.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Funny that. One of the people in Balata with us went to stay with her family in Israel immediately after. Her cousin was doing national service in an administrative role. When she told him what she had seen he said "it is impossible - if even a tea-cup is broken it must be replaced". So she showed him the photos and the video. The whole family were stunned. Completely horrified.
Had a nice desk jockey job did you Rach? Was it an accident with a pencil sharpener that caused your horrific injuries? One way or the other, you're not adding up.
YMU: "Road to Balata.": First off, while Israeli equipment certainly flattens cars that get in the way of Security Ops, that picture could just as easily represent a car junked by Arabs themselves since the roads around all "Palestinian" population centers are littered with them. Periodically Bedua will haul them for scrap but they still litter the roads here and there. Your picture means nothing. Even if you showed an Israeli vehichle flattening it, so what? As I stated, it happens and it is not illegal nor suprising given the dynamic at play.
"Picture of a home left in ruins by IDF.": you are showing a home that was shelled, not vanadlised so what is your point, again?
"Picture of a hole in a wall.": Again, Mouseholing...AND?
"Picture of a shoppe destroyed by an APC.": AGAIN, an M113 CANNOT cause anything near that much damage. IF an M113 nosed into a wall you would have a perhaps 2 X 2 meter hole. D9s mechanically break AT TIME, but even then VERY rarely. As I told you before, we use Plastique. Of course you could not help but know this had you actually been in Camp.
"Picture of a home left in ruins by IDF.": you are showing a home that was shelled, not vanadlised so what is your point, again?
"Picture of a hole in a wall.": Again, Mouseholing...AND?
"Picture of a shoppe destroyed by an APC.": AGAIN, an M113 CANNOT cause anything near that much damage. IF an M113 nosed into a wall you would have a perhaps 2 X 2 meter hole. D9s mechanically break AT TIME, but even then VERY rarely. As I told you before, we use Plastique. Of course you could not help but know this had you actually been in Camp.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
So a palm tree in the middle of an enormous dual carriageway was in the way. And the Palestinians had junked that car whilst leaving a perfectly serviceable one trapped behind it - it's nothing to do with the tank in the upper left corner.
You fraud.
"Israeli girl's family were horrified.": I highly doubt that. See, in our country more than 80% of all Jewish males serve in the IDF, and when factoring in MAGAV, etc., etc the number is almost 92%. We ALL know what happens there and as he said, "if it is broken, it must be replaced." This is drilled into peoples' heads and destruction is never left undetected due to the Israeli Legal System accomodating "Palestinians" as well as Israelis. Had the damage you have in those photos taken place from vandalism there would have been a huge case. Any soldier could tell what happned just from 2 or 3 seconds of looking.
Either you made up the thing with the girl, or she lied to you for whatever reason.
Vanadlism DOES rarely happen, and prison sentences ALWAYS follow. The IDF does not play on this issue. We are the only armed force in the world that allows Foreigners free reign in our zones of conflict and this also works as a check and balance system where bad behavior is concerned. Do you really imagine that the IDF would not act on such things? You are more naive than I thought if so,
"Desk Job.": Nope, I am Airborne/Infantry, NACHAL 50th, which I believe I have probably said several times in this forum. I actually might have gone the Jobnik route had I not lost some of my ratring in Lebanon following my injuries and subsequent addiction but in the end I am more than happy to have stayed in Infantry.
I am not adding up? You have never been there. An Israeli Jew on the other hand serving in the IDF is not unusual, in fact is to be expected. With 92% in unifrom it is a given. In Israel, only handicapped people and geniuses sit at desks. If you are physically able you will see combat and that is a given. In wartime even our instructors fight so it is not really a big thing. You who imagines APCs Mousehole should worry about yourself.
Either you made up the thing with the girl, or she lied to you for whatever reason.
Vanadlism DOES rarely happen, and prison sentences ALWAYS follow. The IDF does not play on this issue. We are the only armed force in the world that allows Foreigners free reign in our zones of conflict and this also works as a check and balance system where bad behavior is concerned. Do you really imagine that the IDF would not act on such things? You are more naive than I thought if so,
"Desk Job.": Nope, I am Airborne/Infantry, NACHAL 50th, which I believe I have probably said several times in this forum. I actually might have gone the Jobnik route had I not lost some of my ratring in Lebanon following my injuries and subsequent addiction but in the end I am more than happy to have stayed in Infantry.
I am not adding up? You have never been there. An Israeli Jew on the other hand serving in the IDF is not unusual, in fact is to be expected. With 92% in unifrom it is a given. In Israel, only handicapped people and geniuses sit at desks. If you are physically able you will see combat and that is a given. In wartime even our instructors fight so it is not really a big thing. You who imagines APCs Mousehole should worry about yourself.
Ooooh, I forgot!!! Camps do not have wide streets OR yards!!! Yep, got it now, thanks! At least you are good for a chuckle or two. Keep up the good work!
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
There are date stamps on the photos. You'll need to show that Balata was shelled near that time. It wasn't. The army went in in the early hours of the morning, arrested all the men between the ages of 14 and 60, took them away in trucks and proceeded to "vandalise" every home in the camp for three days before allowing them to return.
YMU: That Is your big video? An M113 kicking in a wodden door half off its hinges? Cut me a break! What a joke. In case it has not occurred to you yet, it is not even an Engineering equipped APC so again, you have no idea what you are saying. I imagine that the crew found it simpler than kicking in a door , or more safer anyway but judging by the fool next to it (which you probably imagine to be yourself) it was not a dangerous day. One sees stuff like that everyday, so what? You said it destroyed a whole shoppe, not only would it not do that it COULD NOT do that.
Fraud? Listen kid, I use my real name here. I also list ALL my personal info here. I do not hide behind a screenanme. IF I wanted to play games I would not use my real name nor would I ever be able to imagine why someone would pretend to be from Israel, not to mention on a forum like this. You are deluded but whatever you say. What do you imagine would be gained from such a rise? I suppose it is because I uncovered you playing games but it does not matter.
As I often say, there are even Israelis who parrot such nonsense so your opinion is not what shows you for what you are. It is your lack of first hand knowledge revealed when you try to talk about incidents there. A junked car? A shelled room? You pretending that IDF just burst through a wall where you are standing? If that HAD happened you would have been hogtied with plastic cuffs around your extremities, certainly not standing there taking pictures. Wait! What was it you said? Oh yeah, you were "Suprised!" If you had been there you would have been burned genius from the flash.
Whatever.
Fraud? Listen kid, I use my real name here. I also list ALL my personal info here. I do not hide behind a screenanme. IF I wanted to play games I would not use my real name nor would I ever be able to imagine why someone would pretend to be from Israel, not to mention on a forum like this. You are deluded but whatever you say. What do you imagine would be gained from such a rise? I suppose it is because I uncovered you playing games but it does not matter.
As I often say, there are even Israelis who parrot such nonsense so your opinion is not what shows you for what you are. It is your lack of first hand knowledge revealed when you try to talk about incidents there. A junked car? A shelled room? You pretending that IDF just burst through a wall where you are standing? If that HAD happened you would have been hogtied with plastic cuffs around your extremities, certainly not standing there taking pictures. Wait! What was it you said? Oh yeah, you were "Suprised!" If you had been there you would have been burned genius from the flash.
Whatever.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Did you watch the video? Or even look at the pics? The shopfronts were shutters, and the APC had no trouble at all breaking them down. The video is less than a minute long and 90% of the job is done on camera with no edits.
Why do you lie like this? It's bizarre.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
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