XL Bully dog - discussion
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This is sensible so it’ll never happen here.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
It may be the law but with a mere £500 fine and fuck all resource for enforcement...I understood that was already law.
... not every dog is chipped.
Make it a £100k and less people will take the risk.
£500 risk for having an unlicensed dangerous dog is just flex money to some.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Would be interesting to make a comparison of dog attacks between Spain and the UK. Might give an idea of how effective this kind of legislation is.
This study isn't very positive.
Fatal dog attacks in Spain under a breed-specific legislation: A ten-year retrospective study.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
Leafster
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
See also Jack Russells. Yappy little fuckers.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Ban incoming...
Animal welfare groups criticise American XL bullies ban, saying they’re ‘deeply concerned’ about lack of evidence – as it happened
PM says breed, responsible for series of attacks, will be banned once it has been properly definedwww.theguardian.com
Coming soon, the all new XXL
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
They already have those, and also the "Extreme" Bully. No doubt these will be covered the order too.
maomao
普費斯
I've been n bitten by two Jack Russells but wouldn't call for the to be banned because neither bite was life threatening in any way.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
American bully XL puppies being sold in Cornwall for £5,000
Recent vicious attacks by American bully XL dogs which hit the national headlined have resulted in Prime Minster Rishi Sunak saying they will be banned
£5k a puppy, no wonder its popular to sell them. Poll results come in at 88% for the ban at the moment.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
I thought owners were already liable for what their dogs did and they have to be chipped? Maybe I was wrong.
edit: It's a legal requirement to have any dog over the age of eight weeks microchipped
www.rspca.org.uk
The keeper may face criminal prosecution and a £500 fine if they do not comply with the notice.
I think a lot of people don't really give a shit about those rules, or they know it's not enforced.
edit: It's a legal requirement to have any dog over the age of eight weeks microchipped
Microchipping Your Pet - How It Works | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk
Microchipping your pet gives them the best chance of being identified and returned to you if they get lost or stolen. Learn more about the process.
www.rspca.org.uk
I think a lot of people don't really give a shit about those rules, or they know it's not enforced.
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girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Exactly, size really does make a difference. Cats can attack too, and they often do. But they don't kill people.
/derail
Although you can catch nasty bugs from cat scratches! I know someone who ended up in hospital from such an incident.
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newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Given they are estimating numbers all over the place in different source I think a lot are not getting chipped. Last I saw was 5000-10000 so thats a fair variation.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Dog owners are legally responsible for the actions of their dogs. Not so with cats. We can wash our hands of anything they get up to.
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There was a BBC doc about them a few months ago; drug money being laundered mainly...American bully XL puppies being sold in Cornwall for £5,000
Recent vicious attacks by American bully XL dogs which hit the national headlined have resulted in Prime Minster Rishi Sunak saying they will be bannedwww.cornwalllive.com
£5k a puppy, no wonder its popular to sell them. Poll results come in at 88% for the ban at the moment.
(I think it's still on iplayer too?)
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Ok, so people are breaking the law. Nothing new there. Not sure how calling for microchipping/liability makes any difference either. Isn't nozzling for some breeds already compulsory? Aren't dog owners liable for dog shit?
They can put as many laws in as they like, if it's not enforced it's pointless.
JimW
支那暗杀团
That's why I have mine fronting my pills and speed sideline.Dog owners are legally responsible for the actions of their dogs. Not so with cats. We can wash our hands of anything they get up to.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Assuming that's where bans make it easier, unless the dog is kept hidden then they can confiscate every single one that pops up and the value goes through the floor making it unprofitable to breed more.
Explaining what I believe to be their logic on this anyway.
20kg is not very big. And since muscle is heavier than fat, any dog that is muscular and 20kg would be bordering on small. I’m not convinced that 20kg is the appropriate threshold. 30kg I could imagine.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
My border collie/ corgi cross is 20kg so that does seem extremely low.
My grand-daughter was attacked by what the owner referred to (proudly, cos she's an idiot) as a wolfdog. I honestly don't know who enforced the resulting muzzle wearing and ban from being off the lead in public places...whether it was the city council or general disapproval ( most dog owners who use my local cemetery know each other). There are also a couple of golden retrievers who also have to be kept on a lead and muzzled. I generally think it is up to us, as dog-owners and community members to be proactive in the policing of unreliable and dangerous dogs. I certainly feel alot better,seeing this enormous fucking dog with a muzzle. It also bit my sheepdog through the ear but the owner is a total freaking head-case who has a history of ridiculous trophy animals which she feeds with weird experimental diets (for racehorses!). I am sorta conflicted about authoritarian state bans because that stuff generally feeds into the sensational press which makes these sorts of dogs attractive to a certain type of owner.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
It seems there's plenty of measures in place already, clearly not being enforced. For example, in Wandsworth, where I live, from their website
So I'm guessing they rely on residents reporting to take action. Do they take action once a report is made? Does the council/police have the resources to deal with it? I've no idea. For some reason if you own your home/freeholder then you can do whatever the fuck you want.
So I'm guessing they rely on residents reporting to take action. Do they take action once a report is made? Does the council/police have the resources to deal with it? I've no idea. For some reason if you own your home/freeholder then you can do whatever the fuck you want.
Adult American pit bull terriers can weigh in under 30kg.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Depends what they mean by a dangerous dog. Banned list? Someone doesn't like the look of it? Barked and someone got worried?
I’ll compromise on 25kg, but 20kg is too low.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Well, yeah, that's why it's not simple. If a dog is raised to be aggressive it's potentially dangerous. But if it's an aggressive small dog it's hardly an issue, because it's easily controlled. I still think it's down to it's strength, there has to be a cut off point where it's not an acceptable size as the risk is too much. Especially in densely populated areas. There's a reason we don't keep lions/bears/chimps as pets. Pigs make good pets, but they are huge
Can you imagine if people suddenly decided to have pet pigs in urban areas? I don't even know where I'm going with this now.I'm betting there's been an increase in people reporting what they perceive as threatening/dangerous dogs recently. Does anything get done? That's the question.
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