XL Bully dog - discussion

[girasol]

Oh, yeah, this reminded me of the time a medium sized Irish Setter type dog just lurched for my granddaughter (I'm not very good with dog breeds, just have a basic idea). If it hadn't been on a lead it would have bitten her (it jumped towards her and growled). Our crime? We just walked past it on the pavement.

One of these. Very cute huh? I love them too, but they would cause a lot of pain/damage if they bit someone, especially a child.


My granddaughter was 4 years old at the time, she's 7, and she still remembers the incident. It's been used a warming not to get close to dogs, no matter how cute. If it's over a certain size, don't go near it. Just like we have to teach children to be afraid of cars on the roads, we now have to teach them to be afraid on the pavements too. Of dogs. Not to mention the fucking e-scooters on pavements.

 

[girasol]

I don't think that particular dog breed should be banned though, as the owner could physically hold it back, and it's a medium sized dog. My point was that even dogs that look adorable and are generally seen as docile can randomly attack, thankfully it was on a lead and the owner was quick thinking. But there are way too many dogs out there that an average sized person would NOT be able to keep a hold of, should they decide to attack. They are too strong and too lethal.

 

[Thora]

Maybe bans or restrictions should be purely based on size rather than breed/appearance.
Anything over say 25kg (average size of a 7 year old child) needs to be licensed and muzzled, on leads in public places etc.
Yes, a few big but gentle labradors would get caught up in it but it might make people think more about whether they can physically control their dog.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Maybe bans or restrictions should be purely based on size rather than breed/appearance.
Anything over say 25kg (average size of a 7 year old child) needs to be licensed and muzzled, on leads in public places etc.
Yes, a few big but gentle labradors would get caught up in it but it might make people think more about whether they can physically control their dog.

That would include most guide dogs, I think. They're not small dogs.

 

[Callie]

That would include most guide dogs, I think. They're not small dogs.

Sub in chihuahuas

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Clearly you could have exceptions for trained dogs. But I think that only emphasises how this isn't straightforward - how the role of the owner is very important.

 

[maomao]

That would include most guide dogs, I think. They're not small dogs.

Very easily recognised though and apart from the muzzle you'd expect the other parts of the rule to already be in place. Very easy to have a muzzle exception for guide dogs (I may be over thinking but I guess they sometimes have to pick stuff up?).

 

[Gerry1time]

My granddaughter was 4 years old at the time, she's 7, and she still remembers the incident. It's been used a warming not to get close to dogs, no matter how cute. If it's over a certain size, don't go near it. Just like we have to teach children to be afraid of cars on the roads, we now have to teach them to be afraid on the pavements too. Of dogs. Not to mention the fucking e-scooters on pavements.

My four year old is now utterly terrified of dogs. We have a double pram, one seat high up and one low down, and once her younger sister arrived, the four year old took the lower seat, which is at the front of the pram and level with the pavement. In this seat, a surprisingly large number of dog owners would let their dogs jump up at her, puttting their feet on her knees or chest, and sometimes attempting to lick her face. She screamed every time, I had stern words with the dog owner, and they generally replied 'Aw, <the dog>'s really good with children though' or 'they're just being friendly'. Fine, that may be how you see it, but for a small child, having a dog suddenly jump up at them out of the blue is terrifying. She's now so scared of them she screams and pulls away if she sees a dog coming anywhere near her, which makes walking down narrow pavements in town pretty tricky.

Basically, fucks sake.

 

[Spymaster]

Spymaster; haven't you got/had/looked after a 'dangerous dog' at some point?

Only by accident.



The whole reason I have him is because his owner couldn't handle him. He's a magnificently powerful animal and it only takes a few minutes with him to realise that he shouldn't be a pet. He gets a lot of attention, especially from kids who he lets pull him to pieces, but my hand is always very firmly attached to his collar and I've figured out the best way to kill him if things go tits-up (it's my knee in his neck or back, not fucking about trying to spread his front legs, which is absolutely laughable and he'd probably consider a game).

My own dogs are Springers.

 

[8ball]

Anything over say 25kg (average size of a 7 year old child) needs to be licensed and muzzled, on leads in public places etc.

I assume you are including humans

 

[Part 2]

Ban incoming...

Animal welfare groups criticise American XL bullies ban, saying they’re ‘deeply concerned’ about lack of evidence – as it happened

PM says breed, responsible for series of attacks, will be banned once it has been properly defined

www.theguardian.com

 

[Thora]

That would include most guide dogs, I think. They're not small dogs.

If it was important for a guide dog to be unmuzzled in public (no idea if it is) then that could easily be an exception.
If all large dogs had for example a coloured ear tag to show they were licensed, microchipped etc it should be pretty easy to notice any large unregistered dogs owned by morons in public.
This wouldn't prevent small children being savaged in private which also seems to happen a lot though.

 

[platinumsage]

Ban incoming it seems:

 

[Leafster]

My four year old is now utterly terrified of dogs. We have a double pram, one seat high up and one low down, and once her younger sister arrived, the four year old took the lower seat, which is at the front of the pram and level with the pavement. In this seat, a surprisingly large number of dog owners would let their dogs jump up at her, puttting their feet on her knees or chest, and sometimes attempting to lick her face. She screamed every time, I had stern words with the dog owner, and they generally replied 'Aw, <the dog>'s really good with children though' or 'they're just being friendly'. Fine, that may be how you see it, but for a small child, having a dog suddenly jump up at them out of the blue is terrifying. She's now so scared of them she screams and pulls away if she sees a dog coming anywhere near her, which makes walking down narrow pavements in town pretty tricky.

Basically, fucks sake.

The bit I've highlighted is a big problem for a lot of people. Dog owners rarely comprehend just how frightened some people are of dogs. Sometimes it for good reason - I had two neighbours who were both bitten by dogs at an early age and they were both terrified of dogs, any dogs.

Regardless of the reason, more dog owners should be aware this fear is real and handle their dogs accordingly. I grew up around dogs so I'm not particularly worried about them (even the large ones) but I am wary of any dog that shows signs of nervousness or aggression that isn't under proper control.

I'm not saying all dog owners ignore the issue. I was recently walking a country path where a stranger was walking their GSD on a lead along side me. He asked me if I would mind if he let the dog off the lead. I didn't, and the dog was perfectly well behaved. She came up to me, had a little stroke and then went off to investigate the undergrowth.

 

[Sweet FA]

What does banning involve? Killing the ones that are already out there? The local newspaper sad face photos will be legion.

 

[Raheem]

They're actually looking to the John Major government for inspiration.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What does banning involve? Killing the ones that are already out there? The local newspaper sad face photos will be legion.

When pit bulls were banned, it involved the compulsory neutering of existing dogs, not killing them.

 

[girasol]

Another person, a man, killed by two dogs on Thursday. Man attacked by two dogs near school in Stonnall dies

 

[platinumsage]

What does banning involve? Killing the ones that are already out there? The local newspaper sad face photos will be legion.

All the procedures are in the existing Dangerous Dogs Act. Basically registering, neutering, muzzling etc and obtaining a certificate. After a year dogs not granted certificates will be seized, and destroyed after any legal action has run its course.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Ban incoming it seems:

Good.

 

[platinumsage]

Another person, a man, killed by two dogs on Thursday. Man attacked by two dogs near school in Stonnall dies

XL Bullys according to the Mail.

 

[Gromit]

I don't think banking breeds is the way to go. Dickheads will just switch to the new butch breed whatever that turns out to be.

We need every dog chipped with large penalties for unchipped dogs.
We need owners to be made fully accountable for the actions of their dogs.
For them to be made fully aware that if any dog they own kills someone they'll be just as accountable as if they'd killed them with their own hand.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I don't think banking breeds is the way to go. Dickheads will just switch to the new butch breed whatever that turns out to be.

We need every dog chipped with large penalties for unchipped dogs.
We need owners to be made fully accountable for the actions of their dogs.
For them to be made fully aware that if any dog they own kills someone they'll be just as accountable as if they'd killed them with their own hand.

Not sure that being chipped would stop dangerous dogs from attacking people.

 

[Thora]

Apparently Spain has a dangerous dog law that means any dogs that are over 20kg, muscular and have large heads and strong jaws must be muzzled and on a lead in public.

 

[Gromit]

Not sure that being chipped would stop dangerous dogs from attacking people.

It's not to directly prevent deaths but to cement ownership and accountability.

That dog is chipped to you, it killed, you are accountable. I don't care if it was your daughter walking it and you were at work. You're going to jail.

This might indirectly prevent deaths.

 

[WouldBe]

We need every dog chipped

I understood that was already law.

 

[weepiper]

Apparently Spain has a dangerous dog law that means any dogs that are over 20kg, muscular and have large heads and strong jaws must be muzzled and on a lead in public.

I feel like this is probably a better solution than banning whatever breed the lunkheads have moved on to several years/dead children too late.

 

[WouldBe]

Sub in chihuahuas

They'd get stood on by their blind owners.

 

[editor]

Another person, a man, killed by two dogs on Thursday. Man attacked by two dogs near school in Stonnall dies

It must be a truly terrifying way to die too.

Here's a shocking stat:

Last year, there were nearly 22,000 cases of out-of-control dogs causing injury. In 2018, there were just over 16,000, a BBC investigation found.

 

[platinumsage]

"A man, 30, from Lichfield has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. He was originally arrested on suspicion of having dogs dangerously out of control."

That makes a change. Since this attack seems to have preceded the PMs announcement I wonder if some charging directions came from high up.