Kemi Badenoch discussion

[Fedayn]

Sticking the boot into Autistic people is a new low.

Kemi is clearly the trailblazer she claims to be. First ion the queue to treat autistic folk even worse than they currently are, a true groundbreaker.

 

[May Kasahara]

Oh Christ. Of course she hates us as well. What economic advantages do we get? Because I haven't fucking seen any.

We get to die younger, have worse health outcomes and be hugely under-employed. In upside down Toryland these probably do constitute advantages...somehow

What a horrible, disingenuous and profoundly stupid person she is. No wonder she's front runner for the leadership.

 

[May Kasahara]

Actual cry-laughing (or is it just crying) at the idea of LA school transport being a looked-for advantage in life, as if it is, say, a chauffeur-driven limousine at one's personal command, rather than a stressful but necessary shared minibus whose purpose is to ensure that vulnerable children can access the education TO WHICH THEY ARE ENTITLED.

FFS

 

[LakieLady]

Just when you think your contempt for Badenoch couldn't grow any stronger...

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She really is ignorant, isn't she? She'll coming after people for their wheelchairs next, because they give them an "advantage".

 

[SpookyFrank]

You don't really get to do the whole 'first they came for...' bit with Badenoch because she's coming for everyone at once.

A lot of tories worried about being outflanked on the right by Farage, but If I was Farage I'd be worried about Badenoch for the same reason.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Actual cry-laughing (or is it just crying) at the idea of LA school transport being a looked-for advantage in life, as if it is, say, a chauffeur-driven limousine at one's personal command, rather than a stressful but necessary shared minibus whose purpose is to ensure that vulnerable children can access the education TO WHICH THEY ARE ENTITLED.

FFS

Ooh you get to go to a school that's a 90 minute drive from your house because there's fully one specialist school in the whole county, you spoilt little brat.

 

[TopCat]

Actual cry-laughing (or is it just crying) at the idea of LA school transport being a looked-for advantage in life, as if it is, say, a chauffeur-driven limousine at one's personal command, rather than a stressful but necessary shared minibus whose purpose is to ensure that vulnerable children can access the education TO WHICH THEY ARE ENTITLED.

FFS

SEN transport is a statutory obligation for statements kids and young adults. This is just shaping up for removing these rights.

 

[gosub]

She really is ignorant, isn't she? She'll coming after people for their wheelchairs next, because they give them an "advantage".

Tbf they do get all the best parking spaces

 

[TopCat]

You don't really get to do the whole 'first they came for...' bit with Badenoch because she's coming for everyone at once.

A lot of tories worried about being outflanked on the right by Farage, but If I was Farage I'd be worried about Badenoch for the same reason.

Tories lost a lot of votes to the Lib Dem’s. Going full on Enoch won’t get those votes back.

 

[May Kasahara]

Ooh you get to go to a school that's a 90 minute drive from your house because there's fully one specialist school in the whole county, you spoilt little brat.

Innit. And no after school clubs either, cos the LA can't cope with that level of organisation. Oh, but your school will get marked down by Ofsted for having too low uptake of ASCs

 

[InArduisFouette]

You don't really get to do the whole 'first they came for...' bit with Badenoch because she's coming for everyone at once.

A lot of tories worried about being outflanked on the right by Farage, but If I was Farage I'd be worried about Badenoch for the same reason.

fucking hell frank it;s taken you this long or have you been ignoring the LGBTQ+ ( especially the T )voices for the past 5 or so years ?

 

[SpookyFrank]

fucking hell frank it;s taken you this long or have you been ignoring the LGBTQ= ( especially the T )voices for the past 5 or so years ?

You're in a funny mood lately aren't you? Not sure I can be bothered with it tbh.

 

[_Russ_]

Lately?

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm worried, no frightened, that Badenoch's view is shared by many.
I had an encounter earlier this year with a customer at the public library I work at who was outraged that our cash-strapped council was spending money on getting neurodivergent children to school in taxis. I was shocked, which I'm sure was naive of me.
Imagine being upset that the council was doing its job and making sure kids went to school.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm worried, no frightened, that Badenoch's view is shared by many.
I had an encounter earlier this year with a customer at the public library I work at who was outraged that our cash-strapped council was spending money on getting neurodivergent children to school in taxis. I was shocked, which I'm sure was naive of me.
Imagine being upset that the council was doing its job and making sure kids went to school.

I wonder how they'd have reacted if they knew Keir starmer and sunak, Johnson, truss may, Cameron all driven from downIng street to parliament and back again, all of a five minute walk

 

[_Russ_]

The council's job?, Its evident that the Parent's job has increasingly precluded parenting in the past couple of decades and I'm convinced outsourcing is not a satisfactory alternative

 

[May Kasahara]

Shut up, you tedious troll.

 

[brogdale]

The council's job?, Its evident that the Parent's job has increasingly precluded parenting in the past couple of decades and I'm convinced outsourcing is not a satisfactory alternative

It is the (local) state's job to ensure appropriate SEND provision. For reason's, including chronic central underfunding, that provision is often too distant and privately out-sourced for parents to walk their child to school. Hence the need for taxis etc. Another example of the costs of neoliberal 'savings'.

 

[two sheds]

The council's job?, Its evident that the Parent's job has increasingly precluded parenting in the past couple of decades and I'm convinced outsourcing is not a satisfactory alternative

Like rubbish collections - everyone should be responsible for collecting their rubbish and getting rid by digging a hole and burying it

 

[pbsmooth]

The council's job?, Its evident that the Parent's job has increasingly precluded parenting in the past couple of decades and I'm convinced outsourcing is not a satisfactory alternative

"What starts as gratitude quickly becomes dependency and ends as entitlement."

 

[TopCat]

It is the (local) state's job to ensure appropriate SEND provision. For reason's, including chronic central underfunding, that provision is often too distant and privately out-sourced for parents to walk their child to school. Hence the need for taxis etc. Another example of the costs of neoliberal 'savings'.

Most get a 16 seat minibus. Not a taxi

 

[brogdale]

Most get a 16 seat minibus. Not a taxi

I was very conscious that I was not speaking from direct experience, and therefore a position of some ignorance, so grateful for that detail. Mostly I was thinking about my neighbour's autistic lad who, being in under-provisioned LB Sutton, is taken daily by taxi over to an out-sourced setting in Walton.

 

[TopCat]

I was very conscious that I was not speaking from direct experience, and therefore a position of some ignorance, so grateful for that detail. Mostly I was thinking about my neighbour's autistic lad who, being in under-provisioned LB Sutton, is taken daily by taxi over to an out-sourced setting in Walton.

If LB Sutton are providing a taxi for them then challenging behaviour is a likely factor. Taxi plus trained passenger assistant goes serious money. I used to run a lot of the Croydon and Sutton SEN transport. Plus previously 650 kids a day in Walthamstow.

 

[Pickman's model]

In a cab in Yorkshire a couple of years ago cabbie told me he had a school run contract in the dales, so not just sen pupils who get taxis, cab could seat four kids

 

[brogdale]

If LB Sutton are providing a taxi for them then challenging behaviour is a likely factor. Taxi plus trained passenger assistant goes serious money. I used to run a lot of the Croydon and Sutton SEN transport. Plus previously 650 kids a day in Walthamstow.

Having spoken to them quite a bit about their lad, I think that is very much the case.

 

[InArduisFouette]

I'm worried, no frightened, that Badenoch's view is shared by many.
I had an encounter earlier this year with a customer at the public library I work at who was outraged that our cash-strapped council was spending money on getting neurodivergent children to school in taxis. I was shocked, which I'm sure was naive of me.
Imagine being upset that the council was doing its job and making sure kids went to school.

no doubt he would have thought the best open was for the parents to beat the 'tism out of the child drag them to their local school and it's a 'wokey left pansy trans thing ' that teachers aren't allowed to used actual bodily harm with a weapon to dscipline children ... ( and no doubt he feels that national service should be brought back despite the fact NO boomers had to do it as the youngest men who did actual National Service were born in 1939)

 

[InArduisFouette]

In a cab in Yorkshire a couple of years ago cabbie told me he had a school run contract in the dales, so not just sen pupils who get taxis, cab could seat four kids

Yep in the mids 980s - early90s where i went to school there was a mini bus that ran ort on the 'fen' and acrross onto the 'heath' to pick up the handful of kids living on farms or (genuine row of houses and phone box) hamlets that fell within the catchment area of the primnary school(s) and secondary school i went to as well as the full size buses/ coaches that brought kids mainly to the secondary school ( but one village on the fen to the primary school as well ) as obviously a 1200 -1500 pupil Secondary school services more villages than 100 -350 pupil primary schools

 

[TopCat]

SEN kids just used to get drugged not that long ago.

 

[TopCat]

Yep in the mids 980s - early90s where i went to school there was a mini bus that ran ort on the 'fen' and acrross onto the 'heath' to pick up the handful of kids living on farms or (genuine row of houses and phone box) hamlets that fell within the catchment area of the primnary school(s) and secondary school i went to as well as the full size buses/ coaches that brought kids mainly to the secondary school ( but one village on the fen to the primary school as well ) as obviously a 1200 -1500 pupil Secondary school services more villages than 100 -350 pupil primary schools

There are rules on statutory provision of schools. If it’s miles and miles away you get transport. Can’t remember how many miles. They expect little kids to walk a long way before agreeing transport.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

In a cab in Yorkshire a couple of years ago cabbie told me he had a school run contract in the dales, so not just sen pupils who get taxis, cab could seat four kids

Yep in the mids 980s - early90s where i went to school there was a mini bus that ran ort on the 'fen' and acrross onto the 'heath' to pick up the handful of kids living on farms or (genuine row of houses and phone box) hamlets that fell within the catchment area of the primnary school(s) and secondary school i went to as well as the full size buses/ coaches that brought kids mainly to the secondary school ( but one village on the fen to the primary school as well ) as obviously a 1200 -1500 pupil Secondary school services more villages than 100 -350 pupil primary schools

the legal requirement on education authorities to provide free transport to schools has been there since (if i remember right) the 1944 education act - kid needs to live more than 2 miles away (under 8) / 3 miles away (over 8) and it needs to be nearest / designated / catchment school - the law that expanded parental choice didn't expand the right to free transport.

and where a pupil has special needs / disabilities, then it's based on the nearest appropriate school, and the distance is not relevant if their needs / disabilities mean they couldn't be expected to walk there.

this is nothing at all new.

and yes - education authorities will use whatever combination of taxis, minibuses, coaches, buses works best / is most cost effective. if you have got 50 kids travelling from the same area to a secondary school, a coach / single deck bus makes sense. if you've got 50 kids travelling from all round a big rural county to a special school, it probably doesn't.

i've been out of the game of directly organising school transport for some time now - it requires some transport skills and a lot that are more a welfare officer / social worker. some councils' education departments maybe don't have quite enough of the former.

whether more children with SEND should be accommodated with reasonable adjustments in mainstream schools, and whether there are enough schools (mainstream or not) that can accommodate SEND kids near enough to where they live are valid questions, of course.

and hmm at transport across the fen and heath. i have a feeling i may have been one of the people organising school transport in that patch in the 90s (i started there in 1992 so our paths may not have crossed directly but it's possible i may have been and checked your ticket once...)