Knife crime, what's to be done?

[Humberto]

With respect there isn't necessarily always much of a choice in reality whether to get involved in gangs in the first place. Older gangsters involved with drugs can influence and dominate younger children who fit the profile they want in order to exploit them.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

With respect there isn't necessarily always much of a choice in reality whether to get involved in gangs in the first place. Older gangsters involved with drugs can influence and dominate younger children who fit the profile they want in order to exploit them.

I didn’t say that. I’m aware that some kids get groomed by the gangs.

But, some of it is lifestyle choice. Some are in the game through personal choice. Not that you’d know from this thread.

 

[xenon]

You don’t sound harsh.

The debate on here seems to assume that everyone who is poor, stuck on a working class estate or has had a shit upbringing is going to behave in the same way. Except they don’t.

Too much of the explanation on here absolves individuals of any kind of personal responsibility, posits that it’s understandable that they put their own interests above that of the community and forgets that people get to make their own choices.

The fact is for every wannabe gangster there are hundreds of kids from the same background who are painting the houses of middle class cunts.

As I said before, lifestyle choice as well as economic circumstance is driving the rise in anomic crime

This is true. However the chronic under funding of everything including schemes that have proven to steer young people away from toxic gang culture, life of crime, Local policing and the court system has obviously not helped. Especially when all that’s left is throw the book at them type responses, when the prisons are full.

 

[xenon]

I didn’t say that. I’m aware that some kids get groomed by the gangs.

But, some of it is lifestyle choice. Some are in the game through personal choice. Not that you’d know from this thread.

They are not all from poor homes, broken families either. Of course.

 

[Serge Forward]

Load of liberal wank.

Thought you might say that. Predictable.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

A bit condescending, my dad was painter and decorator for 25 odd years, really knew his trade and loved it. Not sure he saw it as decorating some middle-class cunt's house. A lot of the houses he painted were council so for working-class people - we need our houses painted, too.

Yes it was, purposely, hyperbole to make that point, and I really meant no disrespect to anyone with it. There's nothing wrong or shite with being any trade, why should that be any less drudgy than any office based job or any other kind of job? It's just what we all do for money, but seems that some people believe the hype that guns-bitches-drugs etc can bring a life filled with riches. The wankers peddling these lies need dealing with.

 

[8ball]

How has this thread got so far in without any mention of Foucault?

 

[oryx]

In terms of what's to be done, better funding of public services (social services, the police, councils, education etc. etc. etc. etc.) would be a start.

And better safeguards on the sale of knives.

 

[tonysingh]

How has this thread got so far in without any mention of Foucault?

There's foucault else to.talk about after all.

 

[8ball]

And better safeguards on the sale of knives.

Fair dos. I bought some knives from Sainsburys and they were well shit. They do say a blunt knife is more dangerous than a really sharp one.*

Maybe we should be talking more about harm reduction rather than taking a high-handed abstemious response.

Supervised stabbing is safer stabbing, after all. Safe spaces with bleed control kits on standby. Absolutely no non-consensual stabbing obv.

Or maybe the American solution - everyone carries a knife at all times. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a knife etc. etc.

I haven’t had much sleep lately so a lot of this probably won’t make it past the early review stage.

* - by “they” I mean fuckwits, obv

 

[xenon]

butterfly knives, flick knives, were banned decades ago. for some unfathomable reason zombie knives can still be bought. A weird loophole I think. obviously that won’t stop anyone picking up a kitchen knife but it will stop them being cool, desirable objects. possibly.

 

[xenon]

you could buy lots of weird shit in mad Mike’s of Croydon back in the day.

 

[8ball]

butterfly knives, flick knives, were banned decades ago. for some unfathomable reason zombie knives can still be bought. A weird loophole I think. obviously that won’t stop anyone picking up a kitchen knife but it will stop them being cool, desirable objects. possibly.

I thought zombie knives were banned a couple of years ago.

 

[xenon]

I thought zombie knives were banned a couple of years ago.

So did I. But apparently not. Something to do with how tight the law, description of them was framed I think. May have been fixed now. But this was late as last year.

 

[newme]

i think this is idealistic, as if everyone should be able to be rehabilitated.

Norway give it a damned good go, hows their stats v ours?

 

[newme]

So did I. But apparently not. Something to do with how tight the law, description of them was framed I think. May have been fixed now. But this was late as last year.

It's a weird mix, theres zombie knives banned and yet I can buy a petrol chainsaw with next day delivery?

 

[two sheds]

Yes it was, purposely, hyperbole to make that point, and I really meant no disrespect to anyone with it. There's nothing wrong or shite with being any trade, why should that be any less drudgy than any office based job or any other kind of job? It's just what we all do for money, but seems that some people believe the hype that guns-bitches-drugs etc can bring a life filled with riches. The wankers peddling these lies need dealing with.

yep was just a throwaway comment, understood

 

[8ball]

It's a weird mix, theres zombie knives banned and yet I can buy a petrol chainsaw with next day delivery?

They can’t ban all the ways of controlling the zombie population.

 

[RevolutionSound]

I didn’t say that. I’m aware that some kids get groomed by the gangs.

But, some of it is lifestyle choice. Some are in the game through personal choice. Not that you’d know from this thread.

The idea that people just "choose" things which have nothing to do with any external circumstances? Now that is liberal wank.

 

[newme]

They can’t ban all the ways of controlling the zombie population.

I'm growing my modern warfare zombie garden, are you?

 

[newme]

The idea that people just "choose" things which have nothing to do with any external circumstances? Now that is liberal wank.

Err the what now?
edit hang on the quote is weird too, am I on the right boards?

 

[Serge Forward]

The idea that people just "choose" things which have nothing to do with any external circumstances? Now that is liberal wank.

Quite. One for our resident Liberal wanker, Spymaster

 

[RevolutionSound]

Err the what now?
edit hang on the quote is weird too, am I on the right boards?

Liberalism being the philosophy of individualism.

 

[newme]

Liberalism being the philosophy of individualism.

Oh right, the right wing US one with the bears and stuff when they tried it.

 

[RevolutionSound]

Oh right, the right wing US one with the bears and stuff when they tried it.

No. Liberalism as a political philosophy.

 

[newme]

Depends a lot on where you are really, which for most people isn't routed in political philosophy.

 

[Serge Forward]

Depends a lot on where you are really, which for most people isn't routed in political philosophy.

More's the pity.

 

[newme]

More's the pity.

Well yes and Brexit was bad, housing should be cheaper, rain is wet, I just farted and I've lost my vape for now. Changes very little apart from me having to find my vape tho. (and retype that cos I put cape?)