Mark Duggans Son pleads guilty to gun crime
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8ball
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If that’s the argument, could we port it to a different thread for squishing. Then can use the thread as reference to shortcut future silliness.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
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Plastic Paddy
I don't think that's the suggestion. Rather, that the son seems to have fallen into criminality as did his father.
The notion that he thought he had to carry a gun to protect himself from the police who shot his criminal dad is just stupid though.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Sometimes people do weird things like that, but I don’t think it’s the first explanation I’d jump to.
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Plastic Paddy
Only a fucking idiot would think that carrying a gun is less likely to get you killed by the police. But then I guess there's a fair chance that this kid IS a fucking idiot.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
They've shot lots of people who haven't harry had guns, Harry Stanley, Stephen waldorf, diarmuid o Neill for example
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Well we can’t judge since neither of our Dads were murdered by the police. But I can hazard a guess it would have had some effect on his upbringing, particularly when people around you growing up are so keen to label him a gangster. Come on this is not rocket science.
RevolutionSound
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Mark Duggan probably was involved in gang dodginess. That doesn't mean that his summary execution and subsequent cover up was OK.
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Plastic Paddy
Leaving aside the fact that he wasn't murdered, I don't doubt that his father being shot would have had some effect on his upbringing. More influential though, would be the fact that he may well have been brought up in the criminal circles that Duggan senior mixed in. Anyone who carries an illegal firearm is a fucking idiot, but anyone who carries one with a view to protecting themselves from the police is a super-moron. Pull a gun on a copper and you'll almost certainly get killed.
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Not to mention all the people they've killed by other means than a gun - Oladeji Omishore, Helen Holland, Joy Gardner, Dalian Atkinson and Ian Tomlinson are only a few examples of many.
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Plastic Paddy
In what way?
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I mean, it seems pretty clear from the thread title onwards that the point of this thread is to have a go at the dead dad? Take the dad out of it and this thread is just "Some bloke you've never heard of has admitted owning a gun", which doesn't seem like something that'd get that much discussion.
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Plastic Paddy
Oh, I see. I don't read it like that but I'd already seen the story reported. It is after all, newsworthy, and all the media outlets are carrying it.
It also sheds some light on the fact that MD was indeed involved in gangsterism which seemed to be disputed by some at the time. The fact that his son has followed him into gangs and guns and got nicked for it is surely worthy of comment?
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
See, this is what I mean by "the sins of the son". Mark Duggan may well have had some gang connections, but I don't think this story by itself does much to prove or disprove that. If I got arrested with a gun tomorrow, would you go "ah, this shows hitmouse's dad is a wrongun?"
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Plastic Paddy
No. But I'm assuming that your dad wasn't known to the police and under surveillance by Trident.
In the reports, Duggan junior is quoted as saying that he is seen in gang circles as "his father's son", which has led him to carry a gun to 'only frighten' would be gangland attackers (which doesn't explain the 22 rounds of ammunition he also had). So junior's whole defence very clearly indicates that his father was indeed a wrongun. I think that's since become less in doubt than some suggested at the time anyway.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
No it doesn't. That's sloppy thinking.
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Plastic Paddy
See next post. It does.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
I (subsequently) saw the next post. It still doesn't.
It's a muddle of frightened young men and boys, and what people say about someone doesn't (necessarily) make it true.
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Plastic Paddy
I disagree, if you're suggesting that this doesn't bolster the argument that MD was criminal who was involved with gangs.
The fact that Mark Duggan owned (or had access to) at least one firearm is not in contention.
Non-wronguns don't fuck about with illegal guns.
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UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Or make drill.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Duggan was a nephew of Dessie Noonan so I guess his son continues the long line of Noonan descendants who have had their collars felt. The Noonan clan members who won the lottery, sparked riots and ruined lives
krtek a houby
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Threads like these really bring out the inner wankers in some people.
Blatant copaganda and sneering at victims of police death squads.
Blatant copaganda and sneering at victims of police death squads.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
One of Dessie'sisters is married to a senior Police officer since retired. Knew him from work and I used to live about 400 yards away from them
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Starry Wisdom
Having your collar felt isn't proof of anything. After all probably pretty much everyone posting here has been arbitrarily stopped by the police and many of us arrested for no good reason.
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Plastic Paddy
With one exception, every time I've been arrested, I thoroughly deserved it.
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Plastic Paddy
And here you are!
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