I mean i grew up on a farm, surrounded by other farms and I didn't see any at all. Farmers care for their animals, they don't put on weight or be productive if they're ill or badly treated.
It was working on dairy farms as a kid swung it for me, the way modern milkers have been bred is all wrong. Back then the drugging was pretty terrible too.
Think farmers are hoping the latest restrictions will be lifted late May. Our local organic shop are selling their flock of chickens though - they say they're not laying well and not happy being kept inside.
I'm a bit uneasy about Holstiens too, but the ones at work seem fairy content. Low mastitis, not many foot issues.
It's the breeding to emphasise production, those udders compared to a wild bovine, and not usually drying up naturally so needing to be milked. Seems a far cry from my Mongolian mate hand milking sheep and mares out of the grasslands. Not that he does that except on holidays home now, he's become a photographer
Absolutely. I’m sure hypocrisy hunting is a reason why more people don’t make a partial effort if a full effort isn’t possible. Been able to hold an absolutist position is admirable but I’m sure it can put people off from trying.
Yes completely. There are multiple reasons for people being vegan, or at least eating a plant based diet. Whilst I guess animal welfare is probably one of the reasons for many, it’s not necessarily a reason for all, or the reason they’d prioritise most.
And I think there are also people (I include myself in this) who are aware and one day would ideally not eat meat, but find with so many other conflicting values and priorities that it’s not manageable yet. Parents have to make sure they feed their fussy kids an adequate diet and might not have the time to cook multiple meals every evening, people who work ridiculous or unsociable hours don’t have the time to plan and cook well balanced vegan meals, people with certain health conditions may not find it suitable etc.
This is all well and good but selective breeding has tangible benefits in terms of efficiency, which impacts the environment.It's the breeding to emphasise production, those udders compared to a wild bovine, and not usually drying up naturally so needing to be milked. Seems a far cry from my Mongolian mate hand milking sheep and mares out of the grasslands. Not that he does that except on holidays home now, he's become a photographer
I get that - I don't consider eating meat unethical though, I consider the environment to be at the forefront of my ethical choices (although I do not wish to debate this stance ad nauseam - my opinion in this matter can be found on other veganism threads).
I think both you and I know that the driver of "efficiency" in agribusiness is not primarily their concern for the environment.
As it happens, I made fish paella tonight. There was some left over so Ted got it
Hate to break it to you sam, they're called cocks
Hate to break it to you sam, they're called cocks
Not entirely certain dairying in developing countries is big business.
A rooster is a cock bird that has reached sexual maturity, although the two terms are used interchangeably now.Hate to break it to you sam, they're called cocks
ETA Think I stuck it on the interesting new facts page, but I read that the word "rooster" was coined deliberately as a euphemism to avoid calling them cocks.
That's the current usage but apparently it gained popularity fairly recently for the reasons I gave, e.g.: rooster | Etymology, origin and meaning of rooster by etymonline
Ah, the puritans
Agreed. But unfortunately these discussions often get into polarised positions and some do make some very all or nothing arguments, hypocrisy hunting being at the sharp end. Also see motorists claiming that anyone suggesting traffic should be reduced should never ever fly for any reasons, anyone who tries to avoid buying certain globalised goods due to human labour concerns being berated for having smart phones no matter if they’re rarely upgraded etc.
In reality, the best thing you could do to obtain your eggs ethically would be to keep a few chickens, but I realise that's not practical for a lot of people (although I don't see why that should be, especially they were kept at a small community as opposed to an individual level).Agreed. But unfortunately these discussions often get into polarised positions and some do make some very all or nothing arguments, hypocrisy hunting being at the sharp end. Also see motorists claiming that anyone suggesting traffic should be reduced should never ever fly for any reasons, anyone who tries to avoid buying certain globalised goods due to human labour concerns being berated for having smart phones no matter if they’re rarely upgraded etc.
Another personal example of doing one thing “right” and accidentally doing another thing “wrong” was when I bought the free range “Happy Eggs”, which sounded great from an animal welfare perspective, and then read how terribly they treat their staff
If the system in The Good Place really did exist it would be both fascinating and disheartening to see how every action we try and take for the good has a down side.
There is a house with chickens in a neighbouring road and my kids adore walking past it! Several local schools have chickens too, though I’m not sure what they do with the eggs.
) fought off a fox on two separate occasions. But you do need a reasonably large garden in order to provide a decent-sized coop and run.Agreed. But unfortunately these discussions often get into polarised positions and some do make some very all or nothing arguments, hypocrisy hunting being at the sharp end. Also see motorists claiming that anyone suggesting traffic should be reduced should never ever fly for any reasons, anyone who tries to avoid buying certain globalised goods due to human labour concerns being berated for having smart phones no matter if they’re rarely upgraded etc.
Another personal example of doing one thing “right” and accidentally doing another thing “wrong” was when I bought the free range “Happy Eggs”, which sounded great from an animal welfare perspective, and then read how terribly they treat their staff
If the system in The Good Place really did exist it would be both fascinating and disheartening to see how every action we try and take for the good has a down side.
Don't wait get them now and you'll simply out crazy them.Cats are not a problem with chickens at all. They're too big for the cats to even consider hunting, and the hens are tougher than you'd think. My Elvis (a hen, not a cock, JimW
I'm still waiting for my crazy neighbour to move out so I can get hens again.
Or maybe you might reflect a bit on the way you carry on on these threads. Accusing people of agendas, questioning people when they mention illness of family members, banging on about exactly what is or isn't permitted in a discussion only to break your own rules. It's not a good look.
