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hiraethified
Just a reminder. This is what goes in the kind of cheap dog food that most pooches get fed:
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/291496210
'Vegan diets are healthier and safer for dogs' says The Guardian about University of Winchester survey
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Starry Wisdom
you've not really got the hang of this lively and robust debate business it seems.
the text that you quoted to prove that it was full of nutritional additives specifically said that it did not contain nutritional additivesYou've just made an utter clown of yourself again. Vitamins are nutritional additives.
Additives in Purina Pet Food | Purina
Additives in pet food can help to maintain quality and provide your pet with the best possible nutrition. Find out more about additives in our products.www.purina.co.uk
Nutritional Additives: None stated.
At the very least I would think that this would merit discovering how they are defining nutritional additives?
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hiraethified
the text that you quoted to prove that it was full of nutritional additives specifically said that it did not contain nutritional additives
Nutritional Additives: None stated.
At the very least I would think that this would merit discovering how they are defining nutritional additives?
I'm sorry you still don;t understand what nutritional additives are even after I posted up a link, but I'll try again:
www.pfma.org.uk
Now did that dog food contain vitamins and minerals? Why, yes it did.
I note you continue to completely ignore the ingredients of the more popular dog food which is correctly labelled but in case you're still struggling: almost all - if not all - regular dog foods have nutritional additives.
Nutritional Additives: None stated.
At the very least I would think that this would merit discovering how they are defining nutritional additives?
I'm sorry you still don;t understand what nutritional additives are even after I posted up a link, but I'll try again:
Additives in Cat & Dog Food
Learn more about additives in cat & dog food, how they're regulated and what different additives provide for your pet's food.
www.pfma.org.uk
Now did that dog food contain vitamins and minerals? Why, yes it did.
I note you continue to completely ignore the ingredients of the more popular dog food which is correctly labelled but in case you're still struggling: almost all - if not all - regular dog foods have nutritional additives.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
And where in particular the supplemental amino acids come from. Perhaps they could have chosen a better source of vegetable protein to provide them rather than have to add them in.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
It is interesting to note in the light of the "supplements" bunfight, that the raw meat diet is entirely supplement free....
But, of course, that diet was removed from the study because......reasons....
But, of course, that diet was removed from the study because......reasons....
It is interesting to note in the light of the "supplements" bunfight, that the raw meat diet is entirely supplement free....
But, of course, that diet was removed from the study because......reasons....
Well it isn’t ‘balanced’.
Not sure where wild dogs get their carbs and vitamin C from mind. Perhaps they dig up potatoes and forage wild oranges.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Dogs and wolves (like many other carnivorous animals) can make their own vitamin C in the body and do not need to consume it. They don't need much in the way of carbs.
If you are talking ingestion of plant matter, dogs and wolves which are their closest analogues (genetically so close they can interbreed), the answer is that they will occasionally eat some berries and nibble on shoots (particularly grass) in the spring when they are full of sugars.
They will also eat the stomach contents of herbivorous prey animals.
Carbohydrates are technically the only macronutrient humans can survive without consuming (not that I fancy it).
You’d be constantly knackered. (I only have a study of one person who quit carbs for the Atkins diet who kept falling asleep all the time at work lol).
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Starry Wisdom
You haven't established it is more popular, you just assume it isthe text that you quoted to prove that it was full of nutritional additives specifically said that it did not contain nutritional additives
Nutritional Additives: None stated.
At the very least I would think that this would merit discovering how they are defining nutritional additives?
I'm sorry you still don;t understand what nutritional additives are even after I posted up a link, but I'll try again:
Additives in Cat & Dog Food
Learn more about additives in cat & dog food, how they're regulated and what different additives provide for your pet's food.
Now did that dog food contain vitamins and minerals? Why, yes it did.
I note you continue to completely ignore the ingredients of the more popular dog food which is correctly labelled but in case you're still struggling: almost all - if not all - regular dog foods have nutritional additives.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Inuit (I believe) consume very few carbohydrates in winter, traditionally. There's a lot of reliance on fat instead.
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hiraethified
Feel free to disprove that supermarket brand dog food isn't as popular then, but either way they've all got additives.
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Starry Wisdom
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Starry Wisdom
I'd just like to see you back up your claim about its popularity but if this thread has shown one thing it's that you're not really one for substantiating your assertions
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hiraethified
What I actually said was: "Seeing as that appears to be more high end food, let's take a look at the kind of food that most people are likely to be buying - something like Tesco's own brand."
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Starry Wisdom
Yeh and now you've left that behind and declare it the more popular food. That's what you've actually said - unless you're saying you never said what I quoted in 671
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hiraethified
I understand why so many people must have you on ignore now. I'm going to join them for a day or two.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Tbf some people don’t get those more obvious signs of pregnancy such as sickness; the only real sign until they start showing or the baby starts kicking is their periods stopping. Some people don’t actually stop their periods. Someone in my family had breakthrough bleeding each month. Some early pregnancy sighs are also pretty similar to PMT symptoms, ie sore boobs, uterus cramps, spots, heightened moods etc.
Add to that the denial aspect from someone who doesn’t want to be pregnant and it could easily be missed until way into the second trimester or even until delivery. When I hear stories like your first quote I always wonder about the age and circumstances of the mother. Often they’re teenagers who part don’t know much about pregnancy, and part shitting themselves about the possibility.
Also given how the lived experience of pregnancy can vary drastically from person to person, it’s not that odd that a GP might not notice it in themselves for some time.
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Starry Wisdom
You're surprisingly reluctant to substantiate your claims. Don't make claims you can't back up, it's dishonest. And that's on you, you can't fix it by running away. Slagging me off for it just makes you look weak
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WouldBe
Dislicksick
It was her third child.
I met a dog last year who loved the new soft leaves of brambles, she was very adept at avoiding any prickles. Apparently she looks them out each year.
Loads of fruit and vegetables growing in my ex’s garden that neither of the dogs were interested in. Thankfully when you want them for yourself.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
It was her third child.
Could make it more likely TBH, if she thought she knew what she felt like when pregnant and this time it was different.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
I've had 3 confirmed pregnancies (2 to term) and a probable chemical pregnancy. With the exception of exhaustion, all of my early pregnancy symptoms decreased with each pregnancy.It was her third child.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
"Vegans shouldn't have pets" is just playground bullying by the way. "I don't eat meat or dairy products" "You shouldn't have pets then neh neh neh".
It's the sort of thing I'd expect on a right wing Republican site: "You're a socialist? You shouldn't have possessions then you hypocrite". "You're an environmentalist? You shouldn't burn wood/gas/oil for heating and should just freeze to death in winter."
It's the sort of thing I'd expect on a right wing Republican site: "You're a socialist? You shouldn't have possessions then you hypocrite". "You're an environmentalist? You shouldn't burn wood/gas/oil for heating and should just freeze to death in winter."
That doesn't really work. And bullying? Get a grip.
Many vegans are so because they're against animal exploitation.
Buying a pet for companionship is you know, a bit exploitative.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Yes it's bullying. It's trying to make someone feel guilty about something that brings them joy just because you don't agree with their beliefs.
Many vegans are so because they don't agree with killing and causing pain to animals. You're lumping all vegans together, trying to make them all feel guilty for something that doesn't actually go against their reasons for being vegan.
And why is buying a pet for companionship exploitative? How is giving dogs a good home, feeding them, giving them companionship in return exploitative? Getting a dog from a rescue centre rather than leaving them there on their own is exploitative? Get a grip.
I think dog breeding is definitely exploitative.
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