'Vegan diets are healthier and safer for dogs' says The Guardian about University of Winchester survey
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Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
I think it's another stick to beat the vegans with.
If veganism is healthy why would you need supplements?
I have a 'cousin' that will only eat chicken and fish and is now deficient in vegetables.
You couldn't make it up!
T & P
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It seems impawssible to have a sensible debate on any of them.It pains me to say it, but these vegan threads have really gone to the dogs
andysays
Love and solidarity
Some of those involved are clearly barking...
WouldBe
Dislicksick
A balanced diet does not need supplements regardless of whether that diet is meat based, vegetarian, vegan or anything in between. As this vegan dog food requires a shed load of nutrients to supplement it then it's not balanced on it's own which is what some are trying to make out.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Does adding this give you a little thrill and giggle?<snip> I do hope my terrible "whataboutery" doesnt trigger our resident fragile vegans too much!
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hiraethified
Which 'resident fragile vegans,' specifically?In the interest of an open mind I looked up the evidence for vegan diets for dogs and their ability to digest plant-based proteins and carbs etc. I can see why for some dogs at different stages in their lives it might work. I cannot see why you could claim it to be a success or a desirable diet for ALL dogs.. regardless of age, health, behaviour etc. That is nuts.
There is def a lack of real long term evidence available, but the fact remains dogs have evolved along with humans to deal with human food... hence ability to eat cereals, grains, pulses, vegetables etc. That doesnt mean this is the best option for them or the most efficient. As mentioned on a previous page, if you had a pregant or weening dog and started giving it a vegan diet youd have to be completely fucking daft.
As for the environmental impact of dog food (compared to rampant global capitalism and waste in human agriculture bla bla bla) if youre that bothered about it just dont get a fucking dog. Or stop flying. I do hope my terrible "whataboutery" doesnt trigger our resident fragile vegans too much!
JimW
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It's been a right dog's dinner.
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hiraethified
For that statement to make any kind of sense, regular meat-based dog food would have to contain no supplements at all.A balanced diet does not need supplements regardless of whether that diet is meat based, vegetarian, vegan or anything in between. As this vegan dog food requires a shed load of nutrients to supplement it then it's not balanced on it's own which is what some are trying to make out.
So I've picked the first one from this list of best dog foods and guess what? Its stuffed full of additives:
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hiraethified
Seeing as that appears to be more high end food, let's take a look at the kind of food that most people are likely to be buying - something like Tesco's own brand. And - yep - it's absolutely stuffed with additives:
but it contains no nutritional additives
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hiraethified
You've just made an utter clown of yourself again. Vitamins are nutritional additives.
Additives in Purina Pet Food | Purina UK
Additives in pet food can help to maintain quality and provide your pet with the best possible nutrition. Find out more about additives in our products.
JimW
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It says vitamins and minerals and they're not the only ones. It's a fair point.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you've been hiding your qualifications on this subject under a bushel, if indeed you have any. i have no qualifications in the field of animal nutrition. but i can spot a dodgy article and a non-peer-reviewed master's thesis when i see one. which is rather more than you can, given the quality of material you've adduced to support your claims
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hiraethified
Thanks for that interjection but I wasn't asking you the question so I'm not really interested in your thoughts on the matter.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
so that's an admission you don't have any qualifications in the field: nor, i don't doubt, any practical knowledge of the critical appraisal of articles.
i'm also curious why this thread is in p&p and not in science, if science is what you're genuinely interested in here
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
tbf it is harder to get a decent row going over in science, on account of science being a fact driven discipline rather than a spurious load of old cobblers article driven one.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
any self-respecting cobbler would have dashed his last to the ground in a fit of pique at the slurry presented as scientific fact on this thread
two sheds
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Well yes but on the other hand once you've added those supplements, then it's a balanced diet. That's why they add them.A balanced diet does not need supplements regardless of whether that diet is meat based, vegetarian, vegan or anything in between. As this vegan dog food requires a shed load of nutrients to supplement it then it's not balanced on it's own which is what some are trying to make out.
hegley
never odd or even
Makes a bit of a nonsense of the term though - I could live on nothing but mars bars and supplements and call it a balanced diet.
T & P
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Shocking behaviour, and a terrible waste of their free time when they could be introducing the local penguin population to veganism instead.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I don't think you could
bit of a sugar overload there.Makes a bit of a nonsense of the term in the other sense too, though. As pointed out dog meat has additives too. So that's not balanced?
I take extra vitamin D in the winter does that mean I've not got a balanced diet? What's important is the dog, and that the dog gets a balanced diet.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
That clearly states "no nutritional additives" and is a damned shorter list than that for the vegan dog food I posted.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
You do realise that all foods contain various minerals and vitamins don't you? Because that's what that was referring to in the list of ingredients.You've just made an utter clown of yourself again. Vitamins are nutritional additives.
Additives in Purina Pet Food | Purina UK
Additives in pet food can help to maintain quality and provide your pet with the best possible nutrition. Find out more about additives in our products.www.purina.co.uk
It's like reasoning with conspiraloons with you, or should that be vegiloons?
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hiraethified
Nice attempt to wriggle out of the hole you've made for yourself, with some really classy ad hominems added.You do realise that all foods contain various minerals and vitamins don't you? Because that's what that was referring to in the list of ingredients.
It's like reasoning with conspiraloons with you, or should that be vegiloons?
Here's your own stupid quote again:
A balanced diet does not need supplements regardless of whether that diet is meat based, vegetarian, vegan or anything in between. As this vegan dog food requires a shed load of nutrients to supplement it then it's not balanced on it's own which is what some are trying to make out.
Dog foods are stuffed full of nutrients and supplements.
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hiraethified
Exactly. Sadly, that simple, self evident fact seems way beyond his understanding today.
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hiraethified
Again: "I'm not really interested in your thoughts on the matter.."
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