XL Bully dog - discussion

[Wilf]

The sight of all sorts of dogs playing together in the park brings me a great deal of joy first thing in the morning

Certainly better than the smell of napalm.

 

[Plumdaff]

Agree that enforcement is key (problematic with successive governments determined to make the state less able to do anything). I do support a ban of this breed, but agree it doesn't solve the problem of lots of poorly trained and socialised dogs. I would hate to see all dogs on leads, I think it's a crying shame that in this era so few children are exposed to the utter delight of a (friendly, mischievous) dog loose in the school playground.

 

[maomao]

So?

If we're going to be judged on the utility of our posts, things are going to slow down round here.

 

[planetgeli]

Agree that enforcement is key (problematic with successive governments determined to make the state less able to do anything). I do support a ban of this breed, but agree it doesn't solve the problem of lots of poorly trained and socialised dogs. I would hate to see all dogs on leads, I think it's a crying shame that in this era so few children are exposed to the utter delight of a (friendly, mischievous) dog loose in the school playground.

We have two at school. One is an XL bully a French bulldog. It's soppy as shit and the kids love them.

 

[kabbes]

That is it in a nutshell really. There is no such thing as an inherently bad dog, there are unsocialised and untrained dogs.

My daughter's dog is a border collie/lab cross, and a more affectionate beast you would never meet. He doesn't just wag his tail, he wags his whole rear end . He is big, probably about 40 kilos, and it is all muscle, but he has been trained properly. She takes him to the park at 06:30 every day, where he meets his friends, and they chase each other to exhaustion. The other morning he was playing chase with a fox, he chased the fox, the fox chased him.

Just one note: the only collie that weighs 40kg is an enormously fat one. I’ve had two collies — a large (for a collie) male that weighed 23-24kg and an average male that weighs 20kg.

 

[tim]

Do sausage dogs hang off peoples torsos with their teeth like this?

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They were bred to go down sets and kill badgers, so it doesn't seem an idea impossiblity.

 

[WouldBe]

Exactly, size really does make a difference. Cats can attack too, and they often do. But they don't kill people.

They have been known to eat their dead owners though.

 

[girasol]

They have been known to eat their dead owners though.

That's scavenging, can't blame a hungry cat for eating . Dogs do it too by the way.

 

[Rob Ray]

In a few years' time there will be a panic over whichever breed replaces the XL Bully as the fashionable Wannabe Tough Guy dog of choice, and we'll go through this rigmarole all over again. Pointless.

 

[newme]

Glad to see the ban, though I'm sure people are right that there are some better measures that could also be taken, including licensing breeders and so on. I'd also like to see some action taken on the huge number of people who don't train their dogs properly and then think it's fine when they jump up at people who are scared of them and can't call them off even if they try. But I realise there is a big pro-dog lobby that will probably prevent that.

It's funny to think that we can't seem to rewild with wolves in this country because people are shit-scared of wolves killing people, when in fact dogs kill far more people than wolves.

Well of course they kill more people than wolves when there are no wolves lol.

 

[kabbes]

In a few years' time there will be a panic over whichever breed replaces the XL Bully as the fashionable Wannabe Tough Guy dog of choice, and we'll go through this rigmarole all over again. Pointless.

A “few years” has been, what, about 25 years since the last ban? If it buys us a decade or two with considerably reduced fatalities, that seems like a good trade-off.

 

[SpookyFrank]

E2a Wrong thread

 

[newme]

A “few years” has been, what, about 25 years since the last ban? If it buys us a decade or two with considerably reduced fatalities, that seems like a good trade-off.

Fix the largest problem then re evaluate if it changes seems a very sensible approach.

If it was cars with a rocket launcher attached keeps killing people, maybe not have ones with rocket launchers it would be seen as sensible.

 

[platinumsage]

Kit Malthouse, who was involved with drafting the Dangerous Dogs Act (pitbulls were mostly a London problem back then) was on the radio earlier saying he has requested that his colleague issues an order under the powers conferred by the Act requiring leads/muzzling etc of certain types of dogs in public at all times, so we'll see if that becomes a thing.

He also made the point that the DDA was effective because the Met had a dedicated dogs unit that seized over a thousand pitbulls in a relatively short time, and that a Bully ban will needs similar enforcement resources.

 

[weltweit]

I've just been looking at pictures of XL Bully type dogs, many are big but some look like slightly larger staffies.

 

[newme]

I've just been looking at pictures of XL Bully type dogs, many are big but some look like slightly larger staffies.

Thats basically it, pitbull and staffy

 

[Sasaferrato]

Just one note: the only collie that weighs 40kg is an enormously fat one. I’ve had two collies — a large (for a collie) male that weighed 23-24kg and an average male that weighs 20kg.

I've probably got the weight wrong.

It is lab/collie cross though.

 

[Joe Chi Min]

I've figured out the best way to kill him if things go tits-up

This is suberb

 

[pinkmonkey]

In a few years' time there will be a panic over whichever breed replaces the XL Bully as the fashionable Wannabe Tough Guy dog of choice, and we'll go through this rigmarole all over again. Pointless.

XL French Bulldog?

 

[Orang Utan]

They have been known to eat their dead owners though.

No, that’s dogs

 

[WouldBe]

No, that’s dogs

No it's definitely cats.

 

[8ball]

No it's definitely cats.

Pretty sure it's gerbils.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No it's definitely cats.

Nudge them for a while to see if they get up and feed you. If not, well, they're still going to feed you. A practical solution to a problem.

 

[Ax^]

When pit bulls were banned, it involved the compulsory neutering of existing dogs, not killing them.

it the Tory party so gesture politics

will this give a good sound bite and make you look like your achieving something

do it

bully xl now covered by the existing dangerous dog act is what is going to happen

 

[8ball]

Thats basically it, pitbull and staffy

Specifically American Staffy, which is, like everything in America, bigger.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

it the Tory party so gesture politics

will this give a good sound bite and make you look like your achieving something

do it

Yeah, there is a lot of this. Looking at dog attack fatalities, they weren't noticeably affected by the 90s legislation. Legislation in Spain also didn't reduce the number of dog attack fatalities.

Can't find figures on overall attacks but between zero and five people were killed by dogs each year until last year, in which it was ten. And it's five so far this year, so clearly an increase over the last 18 months.

Playing devil's avocado a little, what would be an acceptable number? The way we were chugging along at two or three a year, was that acceptable? There has been a post-covid bounce in fatalities. Is that a coincidence? The issue is almost certainly more complicated than XL Bullies BAD.

 

[8ball]

The issue is almost certainly more complicated than XL Bullies BAD.

Careful, now.

 

[Ax^]

dear gawd bojo in the mail talking about how he has intimate knowledge because he little terrier killed one of the queen's goose's

fuck off bluster cunt

 

[Sasaferrato]

I assume you are including humans

If someone had thought to put a muzzle on me, I'd probably have had a more tranquil life.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Sub in chihuahuas

I've been bitten three times in my life by a dog. On each occasion I could have jsut about put the bloody thing int my jacket pocket. Small dogs are more bitey than big ones IMO.