Raheem
Well-Known Member
I think the bottom line is that it is not actually realistic to expect anyone with a potentially dangerous dog to be a responsible dog owner 24 hours a day.
XL Bully dog - discussion
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yes. Husky/dalmatian. He's about 30kg so half an XL bully. Huskies are often crap at recall and ours is the same so he's never off the lead.
He's also an unbelievable wimp. He once fled in terror from a small frog.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
I've owned 3 dogs in that group.
1 German shepherd cross that was virtually scared of his own shadow.
Another German shepherd that loved playing with puppies even when her hip was going and she'd fall over in the process.
A husky that was so soft it was unbelievable. She was that soft that when she was bitten by another dog she just stood there and whimpered. If someone broke in they could have picked her up and walked off with her.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
All dogs are potentially dangerous.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Maybe so.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Should ban gerbils as well. I was bitten by one at school.
Cid
Proper break this time
No, but it is and should be a major responsibility to own one. I mean the last one I had regular contact with was an absolutely wonderful dog, but her owner was a piece of shit (seriously kind of wish I could have taken her on, but there we go, I think she went to his brother in the end). It is a breed that sometimes attracts dickheads. I actually don't really have solutions. Outright bans are a pretty crude tool at the best of times. But think the current systems we have around owning dogs are... in need of a rethink.
Callie
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I think GSDs are comparable in some respects for the general conversation....potential to do harm, they're a decent size, often used for safety/security ..... but I think their temperament is quite different and they are (easily?) trainable?
I feel they could become a replacement well 'ard dog for those that need/want one
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Here's our merciless killing machine in full.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
There were two families living in a site meant for one family, that was also being rebuilt at the time. So something of a lack of space & the adults were usually working on the rebuild.
the real problem was the child's parents always let the brat do whatever it wanted, without question or penalty, and it thought the visitor's dog was just another thing for it to play with.
[also, it was suggested when this was discussed recently that the brat was making up being bitten, as the "injury" didn't look like a dog bite, not sure if it was photographed ]
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
They left the kid unattended when he had those behaviours and the dog was a threat? Wtf if there's a lack of space someone should easily have been watching.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
BiB - they've already been there ... several decades ago, the breed standard GSD was, quite often, a bag of bad tempered nerves.
A lot were trained for security and had developed aggressive streaks.
That's why the armed forces, police & many security firms used them [& still do, although the nervous aggression isn't so prominent as it used to be].
FYI the military dogs are [still] trained to bite and then release on command.
Quite a few of the forces "rejects" or those animals produced from private breeders went into civilian security ... and they had the reputation of being nasty, bitey dogs. Some security firms in the late 1970s expected their staff to procure the dogs themselves.
At that time, In the same block of flats as me there was such a guy living in a small [2-bed] flat with his family and at least three GSDs. On more than one occasion at least one of the dogs got out. When walking past their front door one afternoon I ended up with at least one dog hanging off my arm - luckily I had a thick & loose coat on, so I wasn't bitten, but the coat needed serious repairs.
At this time, and for at least a couple of decades afterwards, the "hard men" had GSDs, with big choke chain collars, as some form of status symbol ...
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i'm faintly disappointed - i was expecting something husky shaped but with a spotty coat pattern...
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The ones with the most potential to be dangerous are obviously the types with an established track record of killing people and which can overpower an adult human. Those are the ones that even with a “responsible owner” shouldn’t be permitted in our society.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
No, it's the responsibility of any dog owner to ensure their dog isn't a danger to anyone else. If that means watching out for other people's children, that's what it means.
As I said above, this might be an unrealistic expectation. But, all the same, if anyone is attacked by a dog, the owner is to blame, not the child or the parents or the council or whatever.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
This kid sounds like a proper wasp factory case tbh.
Callie
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Oooh and a Cane CorsoCool. I'll have two Rhodesian Ridgebacks and a Leonburger
Kids do fuck around with pets though. I remember when I was with my ex and my son was a toddler we visited a friend of hers and they had an English bull terrier. It was fucking huge and I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. Nothing happened but I wasn’t comfortable at all as my kid doesn’t know the risks and could have been unpredictable, as could the dog.
They have dogs of their own. Only a Yorkshire Terrier and a Pug/Chihuahua Cross but he would do stuff to them when her back was turned.
They have dogs of their own. Only a Yorkshire Terrier and a Pug/Chihuahua Cross but he would do stuff to them when her back was turned.
Callie
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This is a mildly interesting read: Breed-specific legislation - Wikipedia
Restrictions in various countries. Pit bulls seem to be a fairly standard restricted breed plus a few of the ones E/W/S also list. There seems to be some variation around bull breeds as a whole but most countries seem to lump them all in together.
I think if you're going to ban a breed type then that is probably how to do it but then the justification for that should be applied to other breed types with the same characteristics.
From another thing I was reading it seems to suggest that you can have a Pitbull in the UK if various administrative criteria are met. Which I guess might account for dome of the 8% of deaths linked to banned breeds? Unless they were just unofficial residents.
Restrictions in various countries. Pit bulls seem to be a fairly standard restricted breed plus a few of the ones E/W/S also list. There seems to be some variation around bull breeds as a whole but most countries seem to lump them all in together.
I think if you're going to ban a breed type then that is probably how to do it but then the justification for that should be applied to other breed types with the same characteristics.
From another thing I was reading it seems to suggest that you can have a Pitbull in the UK if various administrative criteria are met. Which I guess might account for dome of the 8% of deaths linked to banned breeds? Unless they were just unofficial residents.
And I'm sure lots of people can tell anecdotes about how long they've owned a collection of assault rifles without any harm coming to anyone. But that's not really a compelling reason to allow ownership of assault rifles.I've owned 3 dogs in that group.
1 German shepherd cross that was virtually scared of his own shadow.
Another German shepherd that loved playing with puppies even when her hip was going and she'd fall over in the process.
A husky that was so soft it was unbelievable. She was that soft that when she was bitten by another dog she just stood there and whimpered. If someone broke in they could have picked her up and walked off with her.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
You're not suggesting that assault rifles are living creatures with a mind of their own, surely?
No I'm not.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The similarity with some dog owners and the whole gun debate in the US is quite amazing.
“Oh but my thing is fine, I’m a responsible owner and I’ve never had a problem…”
Well, tough. Others have caused deaths. Get rid of them.
“Oh but my thing is fine, I’m a responsible owner and I’ve never had a problem…”
Well, tough. Others have caused deaths. Get rid of them.
maomao
普費斯
The last time I saw my beloved cat Penny who had spent the second half of her life at my mum's house my kids pulled her tail, miaowed and hissed at her and just generally chased her round the house making her miserable. I half expected her to take a swipe at one of them but she thankfully didn't.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Which breeds do you think should be banned? xl bullies, pitbulls? Staffs, GSDs, dobermans, huskies? (Honest question btw, I don't see the point of the first 2 (nor the wolf hybrid types) but after that I'm not 100% but then I know lovely dogs of those other breeds so i possibly fall into the gun debate thing.
Someone suggested upthread that size is a factor - if it can overpower an adult, it should be banned, (tho depends on the adult I would have thought.)
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I tend to view everything through a fairly tight scientific/statistical lens, so I’d start there. It’s clear certain breeds are not simply “man’s best friend” family pets, present a much greater statistical risk than others, and should have an outright ban, effective immediately. And yes, that would involved euthanising some animals. I am OK with that. Other (all?) breeds we need to look at a return to licensing/registration of owners, with possibly also looking at mandatory training/requirements for ownership.
Callie
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Oi you didn't answer the question!
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Give me a decent set of statistics based around number of attacks/injuries/fatalities as a percentage of total ownerships of that breed and I might be able to answer it.
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