PDSA if you're eligible (in receipt of certain benefits, and I had to provide a letter from the local day centre to get round their postcode check thing last time I used them iirc). Dogs Trust do something called the Hope Project which allows you to register up to two dogs per person for free vet treatment, either at specific participating vets in some areas or if none nearby they'll arrange things with a local practice. StreetVet ime mostly do preventative things like vaccinations, flea and worm treatment, and handing out equipment but I imagine they could either provide or refer for other treatment when needed. Probably other local and national orgs doing similar too.
XL Bully dog - discussion
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WouldBe
Dislicksick
In an ideal world you would. Not sure a dodgy breeder of dangerous dogs would be too bothered.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
I haven't met the overwhelming majority of these peole, but the ones I have met were all fine and with well behaved lovely dogs so there goes the extent of my anecdotes.
this just in: man arrested after girl dog attack
I tend to agree with this bit:
As a side note: in France for several years now if you sell even a single puppy you have to be legally registered, maybe this is something to look into but I'm sure libertarians will object to it.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
There is also the Blue Cross, I used their Victoria hospital in London a fair bit in the 90s.
shambler
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A ban wouldn't have to be effective immediately, or necessitate the killing of any dogs. You could ban the sale and breeding of them immediately, and then ban the dogs themselves starting from about 8 to 10 years from now.
On this issue, I don't really see any problem with a ban. Yes, it is a specific limit on liberty, but no different from a ban on walking down the street with a gun or a knife. I don't buy the self defence argument for the same reason I wouldn't accept it with regards to a gun or a knife.
Nobody needs a massive beast bred for its super strength in an urban environment.
On this issue, I don't really see any problem with a ban. Yes, it is a specific limit on liberty, but no different from a ban on walking down the street with a gun or a knife. I don't buy the self defence argument for the same reason I wouldn't accept it with regards to a gun or a knife.
Nobody needs a massive beast bred for its super strength in an urban environment.
Just ban everything to the left of labradors. People still have loads of breeds to choose from, with a wide variety of characteristics. But it'd exclude those most likely to do serious harm (because of a combination of temperament, physical characteristics, and appeal to arseholes).
And for all dog ownership, compulsary training, insurance, microchipping, tattooing, neutering, and registration, to obtain a license - at a meaningful cost - to own a dog (with big penalties for not having a license).
Some of the apologists are like the US gun lobby with their stuff about it not being the breed that's dangerous, but the owner. And people needing the freedom to keep things that regularly kill.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Another side point about France.
If your dog is accused of biting someone, it will be sized & put down. No appeals.
[Happened during Covid lockdown to someone I know quite well - they were staying with family over there, and the step-child claimed the dog bit her. The dog was killed, but the injury wasn't what it seemed. And the child had been pulling the dog around by the tail, despite being told to stop, several times in the preceding few days. Personally, in the circumstances, if the dog had snapped at the child, it would have been in self-defence].
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I come from a background of having bred animals for a living. I'm versant enough in the scientific principles thereof that I now teach it at university level.Some figures...(I haven't checked them).
Man paid £63,000 for three German Shepherds during lockdown puppy surge
A man paid £63,000 for three German Shepherds as the lockdown puppy surge caused a hike in priceswww.dailyecho.co.uk
“A doctor came to us after buying two French bull dogs for £4,500 each, and wanted rid of them after two days as they were rough with his toddler – it is madness.
“Dogs were being bred season after season resulting in the animals becoming weak and producing very poor and unhealthy litters.
“This issue was so out of control in the pandemic that local councils and the government were unable to properly regulate the problem – so many of these dogs have come from unlicenced breeders.
“Councils have the ability to shut down licensed breeders but when people are breeding at home, there is no regulation. People are still getting away with this now – making £1,200 per puppy.”
As a result of lockdown, there are now five million more dogs in the UK than before the pandemic, according to SCAR.
Dog breeding is fucking madness on so many levels.
Callie
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I will come out as a dog stalker now but don't you have a big dog? Just not as muscly? But possibly still considered quite a wilful breed?
Looby
Well-Known Member
This still goes back to the question of enforcement though. How will they police dodgy breeders selling dogs in the pub or on gumtree.
I agree that’s what needs to happen but it won’t work. Puppies are being bred in appalling conditions, no health checks, no research and sold to anyone who offers enough money.
Callie
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
To really make sense of that graph, you need to know the total numbers of each breed. Labradors are the most popular breed in the UK by registration numbers, for example. Rottweillers are next to Labradors on the graph, but an individual Rottweiller is on average 20 or 30 times more dangerous than an individual Lab.
UK: top 20 dog breeds by registered number 2021 | Statista
Callie
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The data was gathered from Facebook and nextdoor
fuck that graph right into the bin
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Quite a few urb dog owners own dogs in the top 20 of that graph; a couple in the top 10. The graph's unsound anyway I think - a xitter account totting up reports to them or something?
The 'kill em all and let Dog sort em out' stuff on the thread is clearly nonsense. All GSDs? Any dog that bites, no matter the situation?
eta - as Callie & lbj said while I was writing...
The 'kill em all and let Dog sort em out' stuff on the thread is clearly nonsense. All GSDs? Any dog that bites, no matter the situation?
eta - as Callie & lbj said while I was writing...
Fair enough (subject to the other restrictions I mentioned), and unless and until they become a problem because they start mauling kids after becoming the arseholes' dog of choice (at which point they also go on the list).Cool. I'll have two Rhodesian Ridgebacks and a Leonburger
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Fries and a drink; large?
Looby
Well-Known Member
I met an amazing Leonberger when we were camping a while back. She was fucking huge, an actual giant dog but so chilled.Cool. I'll have two Rhodesian Ridgebacks and a Leonburger
I did offer a swap with our dog but they didn’t bite.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I don't know about Frank, but one of my dogs has some bull in it.
Fern is (Bull Terrier x Whippet) x (Greyhound x Saluki).
I call her the "roidwhippet". She's mad (in an attention seeking way), has decent recall and (so people don't worry) isn't likely to come in contact with other people or their dogs because I live in the arse end of nowhere.
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HaveMyPassword123
The data was gathered from Facebook and nextdoor
The proportion of Bully attacks on that graph aligns with the proportion of fatalities they cause as confirmed by the police, so you can call it inaccurate but if you throw it in the bin I'm taking it out and sticking it on the wall until you come up with some better data.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Correlation does not equal causation. The data collection is utter shite.
Cid
Proper break this time
I've met a few GSD owners, never met one who who should own one though.
<anecdote/data I know etc>
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HaveMyPassword123
You've missed the point, I'm not claiming a causal effect but simply a correlation. We know the proportion of fatalities caused by Bully dogs. Are you really trying to argue that the proportion of non-fatal injuries they cause is entirely unrelated?
Callie
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Thought you had a tripod for a second!
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
She very rarely has all four feet on the ground if that helps.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
So we should focus on the real problem and ban children.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Ban all dogs just in case?
Raheem
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Plus any animals that could go canine over the future course of evolution.
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HaveMyPassword123
What were the dog owners doing all those days in which a child was pulling their dog around by its tail? If a bite by the dog would have been self-defence, it would have been entirely the owners fault for leaving it with that child for so long while knowing the child's behaviour. It sounds like they're not responsible enough to own a dog and it was right that the dog was removed from them.
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