Wales v England: Cardiff Six Nations Showdown!

[DaRealSpoon]

There was one scrum in the first half where Jenkins bind was wrong and it was hibbard who popped up first.. That was the only one I can remember (having only seen game once) that I thought he got totally wrong.

He is a shit ref who does love to ping England though. That given I don't think it would have changed the result, I always knew we were going to lose (however I had it down as a mere 10 pointer )

I will say though that there is so much ref bashing that goes on on these threads that I'm suprised by the reaction; Someone (a coaching team) finally decides to step out and ask for clarification and gets slated. I don't believe for a second that this is born of trying to justify losing, or even as sour grapes. Lancaster and the rest are probably painfully aware they would have lost regardless.. but I think they'd rather it happened without any misunderstanding of the 'refs interpretation'. We hear this all the time at the moment, almost always regards the scrum and it needs to be sorted.. Its fucking ruining rugby. There shouldn't be an individual refs interpretation, this isn't artistic philosophy.. The rules should be the rules and every ref should know them and employ them in the same way without every game being a minefield of 'this ref, that ref.. with this team, that team' and 'how are they going to feel the scrums should be this weekend I wonder??'

An just to mix things up a tad more (cause Iv been away from here for ages and Id forgotton how funny this game can be) If this had been the Welsh losing in such a manner I reckon you'd have had exactly the same fallout (especially if the oh so shy and retiring Gatland was in charge)... Imagine if Rolland had reffed it and you'd lost? I think you would be singing the same tune - 'Yes, we would have lost anyway.. But that twat with the whistle didn't do us any favours either'.

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[DaRealSpoon]

. oops, i managed to quote the entirety and repost myself

 

[bendeus]

There was one scrum in the first half where Jenkins bind was wrong and it was hibbard who popped up first.. That was the only one I can remember (having only seen game once) that I thought he got totally wrong.

He is a shit ref who does love to ping England though. That given I don't think it would have changed the result, I always knew we were going to lose (however I had it down as a mere 10 pointer )

I will say though that there is so much ref bashing that goes on on these threads that I'm suprised by the reaction; Someone (a coaching team) finally decides to step out and ask for clarification and gets slated. I don't believe for a second that this is born of trying to justify losing, or even as sour grapes. Lancaster and the rest are probably painfully aware they would have lost regardless.. but I think they'd rather it happened without any misunderstanding of the 'refs interpretation'. We hear this all the time at the moment, almost always regards the scrum and it needs to be sorted.. Its fucking ruining rugby. There shouldn't individual refs interpretation, this isn't artistic philosophy.. The rules should be the rules and every ref should know them and employ them in the same way without every game being a minefield of 'this ref, that ref.. with this team, that team' and 'how are they going to feel the scrums should be this weekend I wonder??'

An just to mix things up a tad more (cause Iv been away from here for ages and Id forgotton how funny this game can be) If this had been the Welsh losing in such a manner I reckon you'd have had exactly the same fallout (especially if the oh so shy and retiring Gatland was in charge)... Imagine if Rolland had reffed it and you'd lost? I think you would be singing the same tune - 'Yes, we would have lost anyway.. But that twat with the whistle didn't do us any favours either'.

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Good post and welcome back. Ref bashing is fair sport on an MB, particularly given the standards we've been subjected to this 6N. I would say, however, that complaints/queries about particular performances from coaching staff are best left behind the scenes; something I have no doubt happens all the time. Rowntree's mistake was to air it in an open forum.

Wales are champion whingers, and I'm aware that there would be a degree of moaning if the reverse had happened; the Rolland incident in the WC, for example, brought a lot of one-eyed fury out of the woodwork. There were plenty who accepted the decision at the time, though, and I don't recall Gutlund directly challenging the decision in the way that old cabbage ears has.

 

[bendeus]

I've stuck a link on the rugby union thread for a petition/survey to be handed to the IRB regarding scrums. Have a look.

 

[DaRealSpoon]

Good post and welcome back. Ref bashing is fair sport on an MB, particularly given the standards we've been subjected to this 6N. I would say, however, that complaints/queries about particular performances from coaching staff are best left behind the scenes; something I have no doubt happens all the time. Rowntree's mistake was to air it in an open forum.

Wales are champion whingers, and I'm aware that there would be a degree of moaning if the reverse had happened; the Rolland incident in the WC, for example, brought a lot of one-eyed fury out of the woodwork. There were plenty who accepted the decision at the time, though, and I don't recall Gutlund directly challenging the decision in the way that old cabbage ears has.

Cheers bud, congrats by the way. Fuckin Welsh in Cardiff on final day... As if we were ever going to win... Grumble grumble

Yep, probably was a mistake to go public, but I don't think that Rowntrees done it as a deliberate whinge like that. If anything it could be seen to be him gettng this sort of thing aired so none of it spoils a hopefully successful lions tour. I like Rowntree, he seems like one of the better ones, and if his claim that Walsh's pre match meeting was in direct opposition to how he actually officiated the scrum in game then he has good cause to raise it. It's exactly that kind of conflicting signal that needs addressing.

Fwiw and sorry to rake over old ground, but I think Warburtons Red was (unfortunately) spot on in that match. I say unfortunate because it ended the game, I wanted Wales to win, and thought Warbs was one of the players of the tournament and I don't think he 'intended' to hurt Clerc... also because I have no great belief that Rolland is the greatest of Refs.

 

[bendeus]

Cheers bud, congrats by the way. Fuckin Welsh in Cardiff on final day... As if we were ever going to win... Grumble grumble

Yep, probably was a mistake to go public, but I don't think that Rowntrees done it as a deliberate whinge like that. If anything it could be seen to be him gettng this sort of thing aired so none of it spoils a hopefully successful lions tour. I like Rowntree, he seems like one of the better ones, and if his claim that Walsh's pre match meeting was in direct opposition to how he actually officiated the scrum in game then he has good cause to raise it. It's exactly that kind of conflicting signal that needs addressing.

Fwiw and sorry to rake over old ground, but I think Warburtons Red was (unfortunately) spot on in that match. I say unfortunate because it ended the game, I wanted Wales to win, and thought Warbs was one of the players of the tournament and I don't think he 'intended' to hurt Clerc... also because I have no great belief that Rolland is the greatest of Refs.

Warburton's red was entirely justified. Said so at the time, say so now. What I meant was that there were a number of my compatriots all a lather about it, but many who agreed

 

[DaRealSpoon]

Warburton's red was entirely justified. Said so at the time, say so now. What I meant was that there were a number of my compatriots all a lather about it, but many who agreed

good, then we concur.

 

[bendeus]

good, then we concur.

For now, butt, for now

 

[Meltingpot]

To be fair to England - no-one from the camp has even tried to infer that bad reffing cost them the game.

That's what I find amazing about rugby. That Swiss football referee in 2004 who disallowed Sol Campbell's goal against Portugal became a national hate figure and even got death threats. That didn't happen in the Rugby World Cup even when we had a try disallowed against South Africa in the final.

Well done Wales. I must admit though that that scoreline took some weathering. I was prepared for us to lose, but 30-3 was painful.

 

[bendeus]

That's what I find amazing about rugby. That Swiss football referee in 2004 who disallowed Sol Campbell's goal against Portugal became a national hate figure and even got death threats. That didn't happen in the Rugby World Cup even when we had a try disallowed against South Africa in the final.

Well done Wales. I must admit though that that scoreline took some weathering. I was prepared for us to lose, but 30-3 was painful.

You had a non-try correctly adjudged as such. Otherwise, as you were

 

[Meltingpot]

You had a non-try correctly adjudged as such. Otherwise, as you were

True, but Meier was right too (as pretty much everyone who wasn't English agreed), it didn't help. If memory serves he gave up refereeing (at least internationally) after that, which IMO was sad and unnecessary.

 

[bendeus]

True, but Meier was right too (as pretty much everyone who wasn't English agreed), it didn't help. If memory serves he gave up refereeing (at least internationally) after that, which IMO was sad and unnecessary.

Not the first football ref to go that way. I remember the odious Mourinho ensuring death threats and then retirement for that Swedish ref (Anders Ling?) after the Barca(?) SF with the eternally well mannered Chelski. Fuck's sake, it's sport!

E2A: Frisk...

 

[1927]

Report in The Times today that England are so scared of losing to us in the first game of the RWC 2015, as tradition dictates that the host nation play the 3rd seed in their group in the opening game, that they have managed to persuade the RWc organisers to let them change the protocol.

What are they worried about, do they not believe their own hype anymore?

 

[bendeus]

Report in The Times today that England are so scared of losing to us in the first game of the RWC 2015, as tradition dictates that the host nation play the 3rd seed in their group in the opening game, that they have managed to persuade the RWc organisers to let them change the protocol.

What are they worried about, do they not believe their own hype anymore?

Read this. There's a lot of rugby to play between now and '15, mind, but it's pretty funny nonetheless. Also to do with the organisers worrying that the hosts losing on the opening day would negatively impact on ticket sales over the course of the competition.

Happened before, mind. France vs. Argentina springs to mind.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Well, it does make sense for us to want to meet you later in the tournament, when you inevitably choke...

But yes, this is a bit pathetic if true. What was the "official" reason for wanting the change, or were they just blatant about it and said "we're scared of the bigger boys "?

 

[The Boy]

Read this. There's a lot of rugby to play between now and '15, mind, but it's pretty funny nonetheless. Also to do with the organisers worrying that the hosts losing on the opening day would negatively impact on ticket sales over the course of the competition.

Happened before, mind. France vs. Argentina springs to mind.

And with no resultant problems re: ticket sales iirc.

Apart from a bunch of French supporters having to try and change their tickets/travel plans for the QF