planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Why have they bothered going to the Caribbean if they aren't going to take it seriously?
9 bowlers???
9 bowlers???
England Cricket 2024
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
31 off 30 now. They appear to have broken the back of this.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Ok, brilliant knock from Livingstone.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
which channel? Can't see on BBC1 or 2 or red button (aaah TMS R4?), and where are highlights?
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Bbc aren't covering it at all, not even radio. It's on TalkSport, who are shit.which channel? Can't see on BBC1 or 2 or red button (aaah TMS R4?), and where are highlights?
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two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Well after England being 24-4 a fairly respectable total of 263 
www.theguardian.com
West Indies chasing 264 to beat England: third men’s one-day cricket international – live
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Jimmy still whinging. You're 42 fucking years old mate, you should be grateful to still be in that dressing room
www.theguardian.com
‘I felt like an outcast’: Jimmy Anderson on cricket, Bazball and the future
The country’s greatest bowler on why his wife, Daniella, is still mad at England, how the game saved him from loneliness growing up and what could be next
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Jimmy still whinging. You're 42 fucking years old mate, you should be grateful to still be in that dressing room
‘I felt like an outcast’: Jimmy Anderson on cricket, Bazball and the future
The country’s greatest bowler on why his wife, Daniella, is still mad at England, how the game saved him from loneliness growing up and what could be next
I see he's in the IPL auction at 42.
So is that 13 year old Indian kid.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Still England's top ODI wicket taker. Could keep that record forever now.
He could be an interesting leftfield punt. He's still a good fielder, but with IPL rules now if his team bowls first, he could potentially bowl 2/3 overs with the new ball then be substituted out and put his feet up. Certainly, he would never have to bat.
Those new rules have made the IPL brutal for bowlers, though. He could get carted for 24 in his first over.
I think that sub rule is really shit, personally. Cheapens the value of a wicket even more, too much.
He could be an interesting leftfield punt. He's still a good fielder, but with IPL rules now if his team bowls first, he could potentially bowl 2/3 overs with the new ball then be substituted out and put his feet up. Certainly, he would never have to bat.
Those new rules have made the IPL brutal for bowlers, though. He could get carted for 24 in his first over.
I think that sub rule is really shit, personally. Cheapens the value of a wicket even more, too much.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
England team for first test includes Jacob Bethell at number 3 (1st class average 25, no centuries), Pope keeing wicket as Smith is on paternity leave, Bashir given the nod over Leach as the spinner on what is expected to be a green top. Pope is not a good keeper, so that worries me in particular. Odd for a team coached by a former keeper to treat that role so casually. But I'd question all three of those selections.
So England are there with three specialist spinners and no keepers. It is very odd.
NZ have to be big favourites for this.
So England are there with three specialist spinners and no keepers. It is very odd.
NZ have to be big favourites for this.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah I don't understand the thinking behind not taking a backup for a specialist position, again. If The Other Ollie Robinson is next in line then take him, it's not like he'd be missing County Championship games even, surely it would benefit him to go on tour even without playing.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I don't really have a problem with trying Bethell though. Whoever they pick there's an element of 'fingers crossed he can outperform his average' and if they think he's the one with the ability why not try him.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'm with Andrew Miller on this. I think England's selections recently have been disrespectful. And they don't make much cricketing sense. They picked Josh Hull for the last game vs SL in the summer and that was part of them just not taking the game seriously. Then they got wallopped. And Hull looked like the player he is. A novice with some ability. Bashir has looked like a novice with some ability at times. Leach outbowled him in Pakistan but he still gets the nod. Surely performance counts for something.
Bethell has potential. Sure. But should you pick a test team purely on potential? I actually think the evidence is start to build saying that no, you shouldn't. All that means is that you're picking players about two years too early when there are better options available.
Miller: England's Bethell selection risks alienating county performers
The numbers do mean something. Average 25, no hundreds, looked nice in WI thwacking it around in the t20. So what? This isn't t20.
Compare and contrast someone like Graeme Swann, who did the hard yards in the county game then burst into test cricket in his late 20s and was a high-achiever from his first game. Surely that's what you want.
It comes across to me as arrogance. We know better. We are geniuses who can spot brilliance even before they've even done anything of note. Um. No, chances are you're probably not.
Bethell has potential. Sure. But should you pick a test team purely on potential? I actually think the evidence is start to build saying that no, you shouldn't. All that means is that you're picking players about two years too early when there are better options available.
Miller: England's Bethell selection risks alienating county performers
The numbers do mean something. Average 25, no hundreds, looked nice in WI thwacking it around in the t20. So what? This isn't t20.
Compare and contrast someone like Graeme Swann, who did the hard yards in the county game then burst into test cricket in his late 20s and was a high-achiever from his first game. Surely that's what you want.
It comes across to me as arrogance. We know better. We are geniuses who can spot brilliance even before they've even done anything of note. Um. No, chances are you're probably not.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Yeah I sort of agree with this - I can see the case for a charge of arrogance for sure. Also the good old 'we're looking ahead to the next Ashes' is in there too isn't it.
The thing with it for me though is that I don't think it's all that different in a way to what England have done for years, going back well before Stoke and McCullum were in charge, because when you pick someone with a FC average of say, 35, you're essentially doing it with the intention there's something else in there you can spot that's going to have him outperforming that in Tests when the most likely outcome is surely that he'll average 28-30ish. Someone like Dan Lawrence would be a recent example. If you're already doing that someone with a very short FC career and a small stats base is more likely to outperform their average than someone with a long term middling average (more likely to be a disaster too, granted).
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Even funnier, NZ can afford to drop Will Young, player of the series against India, to bring back Williamson at 3 while we have, erm, a bloke who can score 16 and 25 off a dozen deliveries.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
The Test Match draw is also becoming a thing of the past. In the current ICC WTC there have been 53 test matches.
Only 3 have ended in a draw.
Only 3 have ended in a draw.
That seems a slightly crazy decision in itself. Wasn't there one of their middle order who didnt have a great series?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not really. You've got Ravindra and Mitchell, both with test averages over 40 and both of whom scored important runs at different times in the series. Everyone contributed something in the win in India. Only failure with the bat was the keeper Blundell.
I thought they might try to shoehorn Young in by relying on Ravindra/Mitchell as allrounders and playing just four frontline bowlers.
Nice problem to have.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Nothing at all to do with England, but I'll dump this here... jumpers for goalposts type thing:
By accident just came across some 10 over a side thing (which I didn't even know was a thing) in Abu Dhabi. Sportswash presumably. Anyway, amid all the florid kits and shrunken boundaries, the umpires look like elderly cyclists with headcams. Most bonkers thing I remember umpires doing in 'my day' was Billy Bowden's crooked finger and David Shepherd hopping along on 111. Somehow, can't quite bring to mind an image of Dicky Bird in black kit and helmet cam.
By accident just came across some 10 over a side thing (which I didn't even know was a thing) in Abu Dhabi. Sportswash presumably. Anyway, amid all the florid kits and shrunken boundaries, the umpires look like elderly cyclists with headcams. Most bonkers thing I remember umpires doing in 'my day' was Billy Bowden's crooked finger and David Shepherd hopping along on 111. Somehow, can't quite bring to mind an image of Dicky Bird in black kit and helmet cam.
