England Cricket 2023
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Great that Moeen is back but what's up with Adil Rashid? Is he injured?
Bit shit that we basically have one spinner in the whole England test set up.
Bit shit that we basically have one spinner in the whole England test set up.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Hasn't played a red ball game for 4 years. Dodgy shoulder. Wasn't that great when he did play.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
He can still swing a bat as well as anybody on his day, and on the field he is a talismanic figure.
Pope as VC is more of a joke to me. Without that double century against Ireland he still only averages 32.
Pope as VC is more of a joke to me. Without that double century against Ireland he still only averages 32.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
That stat doesn't really tell you much about him. Just that he doesn't bat right at the top of the order and Ireland didn't take a lot of wickets - obviously if they'd taken more he'd have come in to bat as normal.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. I think this is a big summer for Pope to prove himself by making important runs against good bowling. I think he may do it, or he may not. imo he's still unproven as a test batter. His double against Ireland merely underlined how good he is against medium pacers on flat wickets. We already knew that from the County Championship. Is he more than a flat-track bully? We'll find out a lot more in the next two months.
They need Bairstow. They're gonna need some serious firepower. Australia looked very very good. Bairstow's a very competent keeper and can score at well over 100 so he's gotta be in for Bazball to work.
Can you remember a massive Bairstow blunder behind the stumps in the last few years?
Can you remember a massive Bairstow blunder behind the stumps in the last few years?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He's a decent keeper, particularly standing back. That's not the issue for me. The issue is how many runs you lose by having Bairstow keeping wicket. His bonanza last year came without the gloves. Giving him back the gloves is not a free lunch.
It's a very old argument, and I'm always on the other side of it. Alec Stewart lost 12 runs from his average when he kept wicket. I never agreed with him taking the gloves over Russell either, but Foakes is a better batter than Russell was.
Basically, it's exactly because they need Bairstow's batting that he shouldn't have the gloves. And Foakes is a perfect insurance policy for Bazball coming in at seven, or even eight if Moeen is playing. Moeen playing just makes the case for Foakes even stronger imo.
I can't be bothered trying to Cricinfo this but I'm assuming Bairstow's strike rate is massively above Foakes under the new regime. It's a very difficult problem. But Bazball is about scoring rate, not averages. It's hugely unfair, but there's only 11 spots.
Get rid of Crawley ffs and open with Bairstow, put Foakes back in as the stabilising guy if there's a collapse.
Get rid of Crawley ffs and open with Bairstow, put Foakes back in as the stabilising guy if there's a collapse.
This massively geeky analysis is quite fascinating
www.theguardian.com
The stats are bonkers. I don't think there's ever been a bigger turnaround in sport - maybe Leicester in the prem? But can't think of anything else.
Bazball unpacked: how England have turned up the dial in Test cricket
Andrew Samson takes a statistical deep dive into England’s seismic change in approach and explains how the data supports it
The stats are bonkers. I don't think there's ever been a bigger turnaround in sport - maybe Leicester in the prem? But can't think of anything else.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I can only repeat. It's not a question of Bairstow or Foakes. Just as it wasn't a question of Stewart or Russell. It's a question of just Bairstow or Bairstow and Foakes. Given that there is a batter there ready to be dropped, it's a no-brainer for me. Only question then is who do you ask to open. I'd say Brook.
I think too much is made of opening as a specialist position sometimes. Aus shoved Khawaja up there because that was the slot available, and he's done very well.
I think too much is made of opening as a specialist position sometimes. Aus shoved Khawaja up there because that was the slot available, and he's done very well.
Idaho
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It matters a lot less when the entire batting order has the same job to do; score big and fast. More important than openers could be having someone who can dig in a bit coming in it 6 or 7. Foakes could do that.
Bairstow of course has done very well opening in white ball cricket. No reason to think he couldn't do it in Bazball tests.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I will never get tired of seeing Steve Smith sent packing for fuck all. That miserable fucking face of his.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
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"Racism, class-based discrimination, elitism and sexism are widespread and deep rooted"
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
The Spin | Test selection is set to get interesting, whether Ben Stokes likes it or not
Captain spoiled the fun of armchair selectors with consistent sides during Ashes but must make adjustments for India tour
Nice article, well written.
Scary stat from it. Duckett and Crawley average 12 between them in India.
The Spin | Test selection is set to get interesting, whether Ben Stokes likes it or not
Captain spoiled the fun of armchair selectors with consistent sides during Ashes but must make adjustments for India tour
Nice article, well written.
Scary stat from it. Duckett and Crawley average 12 between them in India.
I had no idea Luke Wright is a selector. Very random.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
The Spin | Test selection is set to get interesting, whether Ben Stokes likes it or not
Captain spoiled the fun of armchair selectors with consistent sides during Ashes but must make adjustments for India tour
Nice article, well written.
Scary stat from it. Duckett and Crawley average 12 between them in India.
Yeah decent article. Like I was saying on the Ashes thread this is going to be a really challenging tour I think, India are pretty untouchable at home and the England team is inevitably going to look a bit cobbled together because there's some obvious gaps which the article discusses. The batting looks OK overall but the spinners and all-rounders (if Stokes isn't able to bowl properly) are going to be a real issue. There's definitely going to be some players who are likely to cause some shouts of disgust on here involved.
If England can even manage to be competitive that'll be a bid achievement tbh.
Lol... I had no idea he was even still playing, just commentating but he's clearly a very media savvy lad. Top story on cricinfo.
www.espncricinfo.com
Steven Finn announces retirement from all forms of cricket
The three-time men's Ashes winner bows out with 570 first-class wickets, including 125 in Tests, following a knee injury that hampered him in 2023
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Today the "One day cup" (50 overs) produced two of the most one-sided, low scoring, boring semi-finals in any competition ever. The whole of August has been written off to shite cricket.
I want my money back.
I want my money back.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
Looks like Harry Brook is showing the selectors they may have made a mistake leaving him out the world cup squad
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yer getting a bit excited over a couple of sixes.
FWIW I think Stokes and Brook deserve a place.
Will Jacks, not so much.
FWIW I think Stokes and Brook deserve a place.
Will Jacks, not so much.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
England are reigning 50-over and 20-over champs. Stokes was at the crease winning the finals on both occasions on wickets that were tough to bat on. I've no idea what wickets we can expect in India, but I want Stokes there if they are tricky. If they're 350+ wickets, not so important. (The pattern in these big tournaments is for wickets to become slow and tired as the tournament progresses.)
I also think Brook should have a place made for him. But England have an extraordinary pool of white ball batting talent at the moment. Someone very good has to miss out.
I also think Brook should have a place made for him. But England have an extraordinary pool of white ball batting talent at the moment. Someone very good has to miss out.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Now that was Brook sticking two fingers up.
