DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The Ukrainians claimed responsibility then denied it. They also lie all the time about everything.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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The Ukrainians claimed responsibility then denied it. They also lie all the time about everything.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Sure Russia lies almost constantly, but that does not mean everything is a lie.
It is a war and tragedies happen daily.
What we can be sure of is it would not have happened if Russia had never invaded.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
In war full stop innit.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
In war full stop innit.
Certainly true of state media, state funded social media and ngos and the vast majority of media restricted by the state ie access, briefings etc.
ska invita
back on the other side
RE US funding
“It’s looking more unlikely that Ukraine aid gets done. If it doesn’t get done now, the next window of opportunity is going to be after the election in November,” said Jon Lieber, managing director at the Eurasia Group. “But even then you still have Republicans controlling the House who don’t care about this.”
“It’s looking more unlikely that Ukraine aid gets done. If it doesn’t get done now, the next window of opportunity is going to be after the election in November,” said Jon Lieber, managing director at the Eurasia Group. “But even then you still have Republicans controlling the House who don’t care about this.”
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
4 years hard labour for him. 27 years for Darya Trepova (who blew up that shit blogger guy).
Russia jails ultra-nationalist Putin critic and woman convicted of bomb attack
Igor Girkin has been critical of war effort; Darya Trepova delivered bomb that killed pro-war blogger
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Everyone doing their bit for the war effort
Ukraine says it has uncovered major arms corruption
Ukraine's security service accuses senior officials of trying to steal about $40m in an order for mortar shells.
www.bbc.com
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
Possibly been mentioned already but BBC have made a documentary series about Putin v the West (a similar documentary series came out 2014). Starts tonight on BBC 2 I think first few episodes are on player already.
www.bbc.co.uk
BBC Two - Putin vs the West
The inside story of how the west has struggled to deal with Putin.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Hang on. There seems to be two series at the same time. One called Path to War and one called At War. I might be confused.
At least I tried
Path to War was aired awhile ago, At War starts tonight @ 9 on BBC2, and isn't yet on the iPlayer.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
RN donating ships
www.businessinsider.com
Ukrainian naval commander said his navy would gladly take charge of 2 British warships set to be retired
Ukraine's vice admiral said his navy would be "very happy" if it could have two retiring UK warships, as it continues to fight back against Russia.
www.businessinsider.com
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
I doubt it.RN donating ships
Ukrainian naval commander said his navy would gladly take charge of 2 British warships set to be retired
Ukraine's vice admiral said his navy would be "very happy" if it could have two retiring UK warships, as it continues to fight back against Russia.
"In May 2023, it was reported that the refit had been suspended due to the poor material condition of the ship, making her future uncertain."
HMS Westminster (F237) - Wikipedia
Not just that, but up to 2023 she'd been kept fairly up-to-date. The Sea Ceptor missiles are only about 5 years old, and no-one has given Ukraine anything that new for the Russians to steal. Maybe Monmouth, who never even made her mid-life refit, but she's been fully decommed for a few years now and it's non-trivial to revert it to an active state.
Add it to my "I would love to be proven wrong" list. The Type 23s are nice boats and all, but it's a double problem of them all getting a bit tired by now and the RN thinking that they were going to keep them until fairly recently (which means recent kit they don't want to hand out). Yes, a decent hull can go past 30 years but the older ones are in need of some TLC if they were going to life extend them.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
I thought that it was impossible for anyone to donate decent sized ships as our NATO allies in Ankara refuse to let any warships through the Dardanelles strait.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Ukraine's hope has been that they can train on them in the Med and once ownership is officially transferred to Ukraine they can claim that they're "based" at Odessa and be allowed passage.
It's a bit pie in the sky, honestly.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
To a point, they could try it out. Ukraine, of course, doesn't have anywhere else to base their vessels in the first place so it's somewhat more legitimate a claim.
I'm not sure why Russia would want to move things there. The Black Sea is a Russian Sea. Ukraine doesn't have a navy worth mentioning, even if they got a pair of minelayers and rusting frigates. I wouldn't want to be based on them if they got through Turkey. I suppose they'd live hours rather than minutes, but still. Russia moving more ships into the Black Sea is just an opportunity to get them sunk.
In the end, I think they can play legal semantics all they want and Turkey is still going to say "No, fuck off." and no-one will question their stance on it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
A little bit on Ukraine's financial situation
www.politico.eu
Ukraine hopes to avoid economic doomsday of not getting Western financial aid
Kyiv forced to look on in anguish as the U.S. and EU bicker over a new financial lifeline.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
An interesting report of Zelensky being contradicted and not liking it at all. Ukraine’s top general refuses request from Zelenskiy to step down | Ukraine | The Guardian
ska invita
back on the other side
getting tense at the top
www.theguardian.com
interesting bit in this article for me is
"In December, leaked polling seen by the Kyiv Independent suggested that Zaluzhnyi was Zelenskiy’s leading challenger and that the incumbent would only narrowly beat him, by two points in a runoff."
Election is due in March but little sign it will happen as of yet
Ukraine’s top general refuses request from Zelenskiy to step down
Personality clashes blamed for conflict between president and popular commander Valerii Zaluzhnyi
"In December, leaked polling seen by the Kyiv Independent suggested that Zaluzhnyi was Zelenskiy’s leading challenger and that the incumbent would only narrowly beat him, by two points in a runoff."
Election is due in March but little sign it will happen as of yet
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
No why do I have an image of you sitting there and rubbing your hands with glee?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It’s a wrong image in your imagination. I read the news of the ongoing war with the same despair since the beginning. I wring my hands and rage occasionally at the sheer stupidity of many involved.No why do I have an image of you sitting there and rubbing your hands with glee?
I think of the future when this is finished. A more right wing EU. With its own armed forces. Demobilised highly nationalist Ukrainian soldiers hiring themselves out. The ripple of stolen weapons flooding Europe.
I despise the cheerleaders for this. The Ukrainians have climbed a tree with no plan to get down.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Yes of course it’s the Ukrainians who are at fault
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
To be fair the russians helped them up
TopCat
Putin fanboy
This debating style of yours is quite consistent at least. Do you ever drop the stance though and debate?Yes of course it’s the Ukrainians who are at fault
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Are the "cheerleaders" in the room with us now?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
POW swop ...
e2a - 207 - 195 = so a dozen non-military / civilians [aid workers ?]
Ukraine and Russia complete first prisoner swap since plane crash
Russia says each side got 195 soldiers back, Ukraine says 207 of its military and civilians were returned.
www.bbc.co.uk
e2a - 207 - 195 = so a dozen non-military / civilians [aid workers ?]
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StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
and ...
splash one [1] corvette
watching that clip, it seems that at least two of the sea drones hit the same area on the port side, and from the size of the explosion, I think the magazine went up, so no surprise that it sank after that.
splash one [1] corvette
Ukraine 'hits Russian missile boat Ivanovets in Black Sea'
Military intelligence says the Ivanovets, a small warship, was destroyed in a special operation off Crimea.
www.bbc.co.uk
watching that clip, it seems that at least two of the sea drones hit the same area on the port side, and from the size of the explosion, I think the magazine went up, so no surprise that it sank after that.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I thought Zaluzhnyi was supposed to be introducing the new conscription legislation in the Ukraine Parliament alongside the Defence Minister? The first draft was sent back for amendment after criticism and Zelensky had ordered them to introduce the revised bill rather than him .getting tense at the top
interesting bit in this article for me isUkraine’s top general refuses request from Zelenskiy to step down
Personality clashes blamed for conflict between president and popular commander Valerii Zaluzhnyi
"In December, leaked polling seen by the Kyiv Independent suggested that Zaluzhnyi was Zelenskiy’s leading challenger and that the incumbent would only narrowly beat him, by two points in a runoff."
Election is due in March but little sign it will happen as of yet
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