Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A top-ranking soldier close to far-right elements? Say it isn't so. Sure we all recall boulanger, flynn and mattis among others
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Banderad about only last week , Feb 2nd in fact . Zaluzhny was presented with a medal from Andriy Stempitkyi, commander of the 67th mechanised brigade, which is the military brigade of Pravyi sektor ( in English The Right Sector).
Behind them on the left the Pravyi Sektor flag which is the old OUN- UPA flag with the words To victory without negotiations. On the right is a photo of Stefan Bandera
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Unclear how Zelenskiy’s removal of military commander will improve Ukraine’s position
President’s replacement of Zaluzhnyi with his land forces commander is not seen as a radical departure
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Zaluzhniy wasn't the only member of the upper levels of the Ukrainian government and military who has been fash adjacent so that wasn't the reason he got tin-tacked.
After the counter-"offensive" resulted in the net loss of six cabbage patches to Russia, one thing was for sure, someone was to blame. As Zaluzhniy had also debased Zelenskiy's most valuable currency, hope, in various pessimistic articles in the Western media he had to go.
After the counter-"offensive" resulted in the net loss of six cabbage patches to Russia, one thing was for sure, someone was to blame. As Zaluzhniy had also debased Zelenskiy's most valuable currency, hope, in various pessimistic articles in the Western media he had to go.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Ironically the timing of the sacking of Zaluzhniy has the potential to distances him from what looks to be like the loss of Avdiivka and the unpopular conscription practices.
Exhausted Ukraine struggles to find new men for front line
Two years into the war, there is no flood of volunteer fighters as energy and enthusiasm fades.
www.bbc.com
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
And?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The accusations from the Russians of fascist and indeed Nazi supporters in the Ukrainian armed forces are true?
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Like they don't have their fascists. The fact some Ukrainians support fascism to one degree or the other doesn't justify the war.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
The Ukrainian fascists obeyed civil law and the Russia ones launched an attempted coup and got hit in the arse by an “accidental anti air burst or maybe his plane just did that”
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
When Burnley elected a BNP Councillor clearly the whole town should have been carpet bombed.
Hrm, now that I say that...
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yeah but 1200 years ago, this and that, etc...
Fucking embarrassing, anyone buying Putin's nonsense.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Nice of you to speak for someone else.
It would be a rare country that didn't have its extremists. And Russia, for one, is in no position, as it lurches ever closer to fascism, to be complaining about extremism elsewhere.
But, of course, that's exactly why it's doing it. A nice combination of dead cat syndrome and projection. Straight out of the Goebbels playbook - "accuse others of that of which you are guilty".
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The best source of info on Ukrainian fascists has been from Ukrainians themselves . What interests me is why , knowing of Zelensky’s desire to dismiss him , the then head of the Ukrainian Armed Forces publicises himself receiving an award off a far right organisation whose previous leader once said in 2019 that the newly elected President, Zelensky , would be hung from a tree if he implemented the Minsk agreements.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes, I imagine that must be very interesting to you.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The Times "The sources also said Nuland was unhappy to see Zaluzhny go, and offered to smooth over misunderstandings, contradicting the official White House position that it would not interfere with a decision that was the Ukrainian president’s sovereign right. "
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
It's a rare country where the CinC of the Armed Forces gets a medal off one and it gets posted on Facebook.
Sir Belchalot
arenicola marina
Russians hanging their own, remind you of anyone else?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Is highlighting the fact that the former CinC of the Ukrainian armed forces is willing to hobnob with fascists "buying Putin's nonsense"?
For anyone who is a serious anti-fascist of course the elements of Ukrainian fascism in/linked to the military and politics are a worry and concern, they should be.
The fact that the Russian invasion has killed thousands, and that there are significant far-right elements present and involved with the Russian military should not lead to wilful blindness of the presence of far right elements in Ukraine.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes, the British army
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The nonsense is Putin claiming that this war is in any way down to noble Russia de-nazifying Ukraine, rooting out the fash, of course there was/is a sizeable fash element in Ukraine, as there is in Russia, (Dmitry Utkin ring any bells? The whole Wagner group, named after someone's favourite composer...) but Putin isn't de-nazifying Russia. One of Russia's skills is how to divide the west; Trump, Brexit, EU issues, NATO issues etc., that's why the Russian bots are out there in their 1000's sowing discord. Mentioning fascists as his justification is just another way to do that, split opinion in the west. And judging by the amount of people who seem so sanguine with Russia's murder and rape campaign 'cos fash', it seems to be getting the desired result. Other nonsense, "I call Zelensky, I said to him that your father fought the Nazis on the front line and now you flight along side them." That's be Zelensky's father born in 1947. The whole half hour of his 'history lesson' was easily disprovable bollocks, so yeah, nonsense.
This ten year long invasion of Ukraine by Russia and the myriad war crimes the Russian forces have committed has nothing whatsoever to do with ridding Ukraine of fascists and everything to do with stopping Ukraine from gaining prosperity with their ever closer ties to the west, that's the one thing the kleptocratic Kremlin cannot afford for the Russian people to see.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
At least the Royal Navy were willing to take measures against sloppy behaviour at the top when there was a perceived need "pour encourager Les autres."
Because of Byng's incompetence the French were able to leave the their towels on the beaches of British Menorca.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
None of that answers the question - is anti-fascists showing concern over the level and activities of fascists in Ukraine "pandering to Putin"?
A former CinC, someone who has been mentioned as a potential presidential candidate, certainly someone that is a political player (evidenced by his removal) meeting and accepting medals from fascists is a story. The idea that there is nothing to see here and that anyone posting about it is some sort of Russian state stooge is foolish and dangerous. Wilfully turning a blind eye to the presence and activities of Ukrainian right nationalist groups will only allow them to grow.
It's also pretty shitty when it is being directed at The39thStep who has been involved in more anti-fascist activities than a sizeable proportion of posters on this thread combined.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
It is if you are not showing the same* concern over the activities of fascists in Russia, yes.
*should be far, far greater of course, seeing as how Russia is ruled by a fascist dictator whose invasion of his neighbour is now in it's 10th year.
Who is doing that?
Who is doing that?
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Your "pandering to Putin" wasn't directed at 39th?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Seeing as I never even said those words, no, it clearly wasn't. But don't let facts stop you.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
OK, sorry - "buying's Putins nonsense"
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Which came about because of The39thSteps post. If you were solely referring to TopCat ok.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
I don't want a row (lol), but I have to ask,
Apologies btw, this isn't beef. If anything I broadly agree with what you wrote, and this is just a wry smile at chickens coming home to roost. Or something.
Didn't you vote Leave? Were you being manipulated there, did you buy Putin's nonsense? Or do only other people do that?
Apologies btw, this isn't beef. If anything I broadly agree with what you wrote, and this is just a wry smile at chickens coming home to roost. Or something.
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