Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Raheem]

Maybe someone should shoot Zelensky and then take Ukraine into a union with the Bahamas. Marginally more plausible as an idea.

 

[Leighsw2]

I would certainly cheer if Zelensky got shot in the head by a colleague who then sued for peace.

Grotesque, even by your standards.

 

[krtek a houby]

This is the post-grotesque age. Nothing is truly shocking anymore.

Someone wants a politician dead. Shrugs.

Someone else believes the US started the war. Shrugs.

The world is quite absurd. It's always been absurd.

 

[Artaxerxes]

This is the post-grotesque age. Nothing is truly shocking anymore.

Someone wants a politician dead. Shrugs.

Someone else believes the US started the war. Shrugs.

The world is quite absurd. It's always been absurd.

Those are the same person though

 

[Pickman's model]

Those are the same person though

Everyone wants a politician dead. And many people more than one.

 

[gosub]

The US is holding back because there is presently potential for three major conflicts around the world. Its also not helped that Republicans are trying to de-couple overseas funding and ensure Israel gets all it needs but not Ukraine.

For those who missed it, Nikkormat in post #27,598 posted the Rachman review that discussed the 'stalemate'. Which was in part a cue taken from Zaluzhnyi who seems to think a technological edge will be the deciding factor in the conflict.

The guest speaker on Rachman pushed back on the idea of there being a 'stalemate' indicating Europe hasn't supplied the ammunition it promised; Russia has initiated something akin 'total war' mode and the west hasn't woken up to this and Ukraine prioritised mobilising ex-reservists and did this at the expense of providing sufficient military training which has now been rectified. If these are corrected good things will follow.

With Russian elections looming and doubts about the success of the counter-offensive being brought to the surface, Russia is upping its meat waves. This will begin to chip away and I suspect they may make moderate gains everywhere bar the south bank of the Dnipro. For me, even if Ukraine was abandoned, I can't conceive of Ukrainians acquiescing in Russian rule and for that reason we should do all we can to support them. I also can't see how the losses Russia is incurring are sustainable.

Actually polling last week had more people in the supporting aid to Ukraine than aiding Israel.

Tradionally entrenched positions do lead to costly stalemates.

Mud season's in.Russias drainage ditch the water is above boot deep.

 

[teuchter]

Everyone wants a politician dead. And many people more than one.

Just because you are an extremist who would like people who you disagree with to be killed, it doesn't mean that everyone is.

 

[TopCat]

Grotesque, even by your standards.

Why? I have explained my view. Plenty here cheer the deaths of Russians.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just because you are an extremist who would like people who you disagree with to be killed, it doesn't mean that everyone is.

Lots of people on this thread have imagined the death of putin with eager anticipation. I doubt there are many Ukrainians who would not celebrate the death of the Russian president. You're on the wrong thread certainly and given the almost universal joy here when thatcher popped her clogs likely the wrong boards

 

[teuchter]

Lots of people on this thread have imagined the death of putin with eager anticipation. I doubt there are many Ukrainians who would not celebrate the death of the Russian president. You're on the wrong thread certainly and given the almost universal joy here when thatcher popped her clogs likely the wrong boards

Indeed this immature emotional reflex is particularly prominent on these boards. However, this is irrelevant. A world outside your bubble of trigger-happy hot-heads exists. Your hasty remark "everyone wants a politician dead" was a foolish one.

 

[moochedit]

Everyone wants a politician dead. And many people more than one.

Probably quicker to list the ones you don't want dead

 

[andysays]

Indeed this immature emotional reflex is particularly prominent on these boards. However, this is irrelevant. A world outside your bubble of trigger-happy hot-heads exists. Your hasty remark "everyone wants a politician dead" was a foolish one.

Urban75's lack of empathy for ordinary people who don't want politicians dead

 

[tim]

Everyone wants a politician dead. And many people more than one.

Possibly true, but Peter Dow, who in reality would make a pretty shite terrorist, got prosecuted and convicted for his fantasies about the assassination of the Queen. So, it's probably better to err on the side of caution when making wishes in public forums

Aberdeen activist who threatened to shoot the Queen on Twitter sentenced

A political activist who sparked a major terrorism investigation after posting tweets threatening to kill the Queen has admitted he is "massively

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

 

[cupid_stunt]

Why? I have explained my view. Plenty here cheer the deaths of Russians.

I wonder why?

Perhaps it has something to do with them being the invaders and aggressors?

Whereas the Ukrainians are the innocent party in this war, and yet you would celebrate their leader being killed, rather than Putin.

Jesus Fucking Christ on a Bike, get a grip.

 

[Pickman's model]

Possibly true, but Peter Dow, who in reality would make a pretty shite terrorist, got prosecuted and convicted for his fantasies about the assassination of the Queen. So, it's probably better to err on the side of caution when making wishes in public forums

Aberdeen activist who threatened to shoot the Queen on Twitter sentenced

A political activist who sparked a major terrorism investigation after posting tweets threatening to kill the Queen has admitted he is "massively

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

I have no fantasies about the deaths of the incumbent politicians of this country who make their violent demise ever more likely day by day through actions solely their own

 

[Pickman's model]

Probably quicker to list the ones you don't want dead

True

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed this immature emotional reflex is particularly prominent on these boards. However, this is irrelevant. A world outside your bubble of trigger-happy hot-heads exists. Your hasty remark "everyone wants a politician dead" was a foolish one.

Perhaps you could adduce some actual evidence to support your claim

 

[Pickman's model]

As I expected silence was the only response

 

[teuchter]

As I expected silence was the only response

You want me to produce evidence of you making a silly remark which is clear for everyone to see just up the thread?

 

[Pickman's model]

You want me to produce evidence of you making a silly remark which is clear for everyone to see just up the thread?

typical of you to ignore the several preceding claims you made

 

[Ax^]

hmm Putin wants to talk about ending the tragedy of the war he started as it might hurt relation with the USA

of course Ukraine's fault for not giving in up to this stage

 

[Ax^]

Indeed this immature emotional reflex is particularly prominent on these boards. However, this is irrelevant. A world outside your bubble of trigger-happy hot-heads exists. Your hasty remark "everyone wants a politician dead" was a foolish one.

trigger happy he said drown them in put shite

and find me anyone who would not mind see IDS placed head first into pig shite

the work will set you free fella

in the shite

 

[Pickman's model]

hmm Putin wants to talk about ending the tragedy of the war he started as it might hurt relation with the USA

of course Ukraine's fault for not giving in up to this stage

In light of that, and the absence of a Russian battlefield victory a Ukrainian surrender would be the kind thing to do

 

[_Russ_]

Now-now children

 

[teuchter]

typical of you to ignore the several preceding claims you made

So you are not objecting to my claim that you made a silly statement.

As an advocate of the murder of politicians you should be more concerned about the Peter Dow article than any of my claims about the preponderance of other such advocates on urban compared to elsewhere.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Now-now children

Oh, do fuck off,

 

[Pickman's model]

So you are not objecting to my claim that you made a silly statement.

As an advocate of the murder of politicians you should be more concerned about the Peter Dow article than any of my claims about the preponderance of other such advocates on urban compared to elsewhere.

No, we'll come to that issue when you've adduced evidence for your claims in the order you made them. Your squirming refusal to support your assertions doesn't go unnoticed

 

[Pickman's model]

Now-now children

You ageist shit

 

[ska invita]

Sunday Times today

https://archive.ph/isisY

The United States and Germany are in talks over an effort to persuade Ukraine to negotiate a peace deal with Russia broadly along the lines of the present battle front, according to a report.
The two largest states in Nato and Kyiv’s biggest military backers are said to be deliberately limiting arms deliveries to make it clear to President Zelensky that the conflict is now “frozen”

 

[andysays]

Sunday Times today

https://archive.ph/isisY

The United States and Germany are in talks over an effort to persuade Ukraine to negotiate a peace deal with Russia broadly along the lines of the present battle front, according to a report.
The two largest states in Nato and Kyiv’s biggest military backers are said to be deliberately limiting arms deliveries to make it clear to President Zelensky that the conflict is now “frozen”

Said by whom, the US and Germany themselves, or is this just Ukraine's take?