How would that work with an oppressor like Russia, though?
Russia isnt unique - its exactly that same as with any other invading army.
Yeah, well, I'm clearly not a pacifist, then. I couldn't tolerate being under the yoke of an invader without chucking something at them. Fuck that.
There are degrees between full maximalist militarists and absolute pacifism, but once you start "supporting" a war the slope to warmonger is pretty sharp and steep I find.... You either wish to dismantle the global military system or not IMO, whatever you may consider the short term necessary actions necessary.
Ghandian kicking out the occupying Brits is an archetypal example often cited as a model
Well it's a pretty crap example. The Brits were chucked out of India for a whole manner of reasons, including a lot of violence. Sure, Ghandian practice was a part of that, but only a part. Martin Luther King played a part in the Civil Rights Movement in the States, but similarly alongside Black Panthers and massive race riots. Movements which advocate the use of violence in resistance also always advocate other means of resistance as well. There are so many instances throughout history and throughout the world of genocide, ethnic cleansing and the like where a non-violent approach just does not and hasn't worked. That doesn't mean that violence always works either, obviously not. But the subjugated peoples of Russia, and of many other countries, remain subjugated after centuries. The Russian state will not voluntarily loosen its grip.
its a huge topic....discussion for another thread
ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org
Seriously what the fuck is it with these people calling everyone else nazis while spouting anti-semitic drivel? Like ffs it is possible to be anti-war without dragging Hitler and mad bollocks about Jews into it ...The Ukrainian Pacifist Movement
A “Movement” of three people by Dale Street In late April Yuri Sheliazhenko, Executive Secretary of the Ukrainian Pacifist Movement (UPM), was listed as a speaker at an online meeting o…
I've posted this before but maybe worth doing so again here:
- Ukraine Solidarity Campaign
that's fairly normal behaviour if the said state is getting bombed by the enemy. trying that sort of shitbags in London during the blitiz didn't end well either.
Good. Give them everything they need to kick Russia out. All this dithering by the west is costing more innocent lives in the long run.And so it continues.
White House requests another $24 billion for Ukraine war
As the scale of Ukraine’s military disaster is becoming undeniably clear, the US continues to pump billions of dollars in weapons to inflame yet another homicidal “endless war.”www.wsws.org
Pacifism wasn't prosecuted in WW2 though.
Can you say a little more about how this issue was dealt with in London during the blitz or before the blitz ? Was it different from say Coventry or other parts of the country?
I read the article, it was poorly written, with some dubious interpretations of the stated facts.
You're like an urban general melchett in your refusal to accept the consequences of the facts. Millions of Ukrainians have fled the country. Many Ukrainians live in the Russian occupied territories and so aren't available for conscription. And there's people buying their way out of conscription. So from where do you think replacements for Ukrainian losses will, could or should come?
You seem to be under the impression that I give zero shits about Ukrainian losses, or am oblivious to the fact that there isn't a bottomless supply of reserves to replace combat losses. My comments to Aquamarine were regarding the supply of more equipment from America though.
Maybe some of our Crimea or bust lot could volunteer.
No, what improves survivability is training, experience and access to medical treatment. Anyone who looks at the American losses against the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq will note the ways in which American improvements to their equipment were countered by non-state actors altering their methods. The fuck tons of m113s given to Ukraine - American equipment from days of yore - are fucking useless. Anything larger than a kalashnikov round will go through them. You say American equipment like it's a mantra or panacea, it's neither being variable in effectiveness and often requiring specialised maintenance
Perhaps you can tell these Ukrainian soldiers that their new highly survivable Bradley IFVs supplied by USA did not in fact save their lives.
You provide no information on the factors I mention so your point is founded on sand. It's really stupid to say 'this proves my point' when the example you proffer does no such thing.Perhaps you can tell these Ukrainian soldiers that their new highly survivable Bradley IFVs supplied by USA did not in fact save their lives.
Two Ukrainian soldiers from the 47th brigade, Serhiy and Andriy, told ABC News that they and their crew wouldn't be alive today if Bradley didn't protect them from a battle early on in the counteroffensive where they were struck by mines, high caliber guns and attack drones.
"We were hit multiple times," Andriy, who drove one Bradley, said. "Thanks to it, I am standing here now. If we were using some Soviet armored personnel carrier we would all probably be dead after the first hit. It's a perfect vehicle."
Ukrainian soldiers say they owe lives to US-supplied Bradley vehicles
Ukrainian soldiers who used the U.S.-made vehicle talk about how it helped them survive a counteroffensive battle with Russian forces.abcnews.go.com
