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Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
They're from just outside Manchester. Guildford, Greater Manchester.Very similar to the amount of Man Utd supporters you meet who say they are season ticket holders and go home and away
They're from just outside Manchester. Guildford, Greater Manchester.Very similar to the amount of Man Utd supporters you meet who say they are season ticket holders and go home and away
Peninsular WarRemind me?
and Devon , they have a factory thereThey're from just outside Manchester. Guildford, Greater Manchester.
And just outside the greater Manchester area there are a lot of supporters in India.They're from just outside Manchester. Guildford, Greater Manchester.
Ireland and KentAnd just outside the greater Manchester area there are a lot of supporters in India.
An old acquaintance managed to shoplift a terra nova laser super lightweight tent, so it can be done.Rather like in the outdoor world - tents can be any two of light, strong, and cheap, but not all three. You pays your money, and you takes your choice.
But what are the "sides" here?I still don't see what option Ukraine has other than to defend itself, its people and its territory. Ok there may be too many sick fucks in Ukraines' ranks (very much a minority), but there are many in Russia's going right up the chain of command to the top. And it is one side waging aggression and one defending itself. So a little bit of solidarity is for me a socialist position; for the struggle and sacrifice of the popular resistance. Putin can go fuck himself.
But what are the "sides" here?
No offence but your post seems to be falling into a nationalist perspective - Russia vs Ukraine.
The side that must matter for any socialist has to be the working class - Ukrainian, Russian and international.
You talk about the people and territory of Ukraine, but what people? The interests of the Ukrainian state and/or Ukrainian capital may coincide with the interests of Ukrainian labour in certain aspects but there is still the class conflict there. And the interests of the Russian working class are in even sharper conflict with the interests of the Russian state/capital.
There are political differences socialists can have over this conflict, e.g. the level of engagement with the Ukrainian (or Russian) state but the rejection of class for nation is the rejection of socialism for a liberal (or authoritarian) nationalism.
Do some memes, chat war and gunwank like everyone elseSo, what are you doing ( or what do you think socialists generally could do) to support the working people of Ukrainian and Russia now in May 2023?
Do you think Russian mobilisation against britain - that is, to invade the uk - is now or has ever been remotely likely?If Russia, the Russian government, mobilised its army to invade Britain, then yes I would resist, support said resistance and expect help. Particularly against an invader that murders, rapes, loots demolishes and much more. The people of Ukraine support the defence and a largely popular and volunteer effort asks those countries who can to help them fight. I support that. I would criticise those who are against that.
Well you could offer solidarity the ukranian socailists and anarchists (and the rest of the ukranian people) who are fighting and dying right now by backing interenational efforts to give them the means to defend themselves.But sadly I think there is not a great deal of practical solidarity that I, or any socialists here in the Uk, can offer to Ukrainian and Russian comrades. One of the few things we can do is to try and combat the liberal nationalist view of the conflict and keep pushing in a small way the importance of class struggle.
NoDo you think Russian mobilisation against britain - that is, to invade the uk - is now or has ever been remotely likely?
I mean in the sense of invading the UK, and tbh as I'm asking Humberto I'm more interested in his opinion in this case than yours. The gru use of polonium and nerve agent isn't really an invasion in any case, was it
If only we could be assured that advanced weaponry would find its way into the hands of Ukrainian socialists and anarchists.Well you could offer solidarity the ukranian socailists and anarchists (and the rest of the ukranian people) who are fighting and dying right now by backing interenational efforts to give them the means to defend themselves.
So bigging up how you'd resist etc, it's not really ever going to be put to the test
So bigging up how you'd resist etc, it's not really ever going to be put to the test
I mean in the sense of invading the UK, and tbh as I'm asking Humberto I'm more interested in his opinion in this case than yours. The gru use of polonium and nerve agent isn't really an invasion in any case, was it
1) invasion is mentioned in the post I replied to;But you didn’t specify invasion. As an Uber-pedant I know you would feel cheated if you weren’t held to the highest standards.
These attacks were the deployment of military assets against people in the UK by Russian government forces.
But fair do’s on wanting to read Humberto ’s views rather than mine. I have that effect on most people.
By what means?Well you could offer solidarity the ukranian socailists and anarchists (and the rest of the ukranian people) who are fighting and dying right now by backing interenational efforts to give them the means to defend themselves.
Again where is any class perspective here?If Russia, the Russian government, mobilised its army to invade Britain, then yes I would resist, support said resistance and expect help. Particularly against an invader that murders, rapes, loots demolishes and much more. The people of Ukraine support the defence and a largely popular and volunteer effort asks those countries who can to help them fight. I support that. I would criticise those who are against that.
Support how? What solidarity?No I support the people of Ukraine in their defence because that is the reality they are facing. Invasion by Russian armed forces and all that goes with it. Solidarity.
Point 2 was too late. Once a post is replied to then the code of the pedant applies. Live by the sword...1) invasion is mentioned in the post I replied to;
2) before your reply was posted I'd added it to my post.
You can claim to be an uber-pedant but you're more of a traditional minicab one
There's going to be a few (at least potentially) sick fucks in any organisation or nation. But a fish rots from the head, and a lot, if not all, of that sick fuckery can be stamped out if the leadership is doing its job. Which, in Russia's case, it clearly isn't. Unless sick fuckery is policy for Russia - but I'll leave that for others to debate.I still don't see what option Ukraine has other than to defend itself, its people and its territory. Ok there may be too many sick fucks in Ukraines' ranks (very much a minority), but there are many in Russia's going right up the chain of command to the top. And it is one side waging aggression and one defending itself. So a little bit of solidarity is for me a socialist position; for the struggle and sacrifice of the popular resistance. Putin can go fuck himself.
This would appear to be more in the way of a cross-thread beef as you're not actually pointing to any pedantryPoint 2 was too late. Once a post is replied to then the code of the pedant applies. Live by the sword...
Again where is any class perspective here?
All the people of Ukraine support the defence? Some comrades have decided to join the armed forces and fight against the invasion by the Russian armed forces, other comrades have felt that signing up is not consistent with their principles - I'm not going to condemn either group.
Me? heaven forfend.This would appear to be more in the way of a cross-thread beef as you're not actually pointing to any pedantry