Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
From the amusing (above) to the heart-breaking
That's a fucking rough watch man. Imagine living it. I can't.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I try to from time to time - those who think that everyone with an interest in what's going on in Ukraine are just armchair generals viewing War Porn can go and do one.
I have never, in my life, been as affected by the impact on people affected by war as I have been by what is happening in Ukraine. I vacillate between rage, sorrow, and heartbreak. Sometimes, watching vatniks getting blown to bits is a slight solace.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Why does the war in Ukraine affect you so much compared to other wars? What are the key differences?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Is vatnicks a NAFO term?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wasn't there a story about a drone being taken out by some woman throwing a jar of pickles?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
My f-i-l in Petersburg says that the discourse on official Russian TV is no longer about winning, but merely 'not losing'.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Found this article interesting about the techs trying to keep the countries communications working.
apnews.com
Ukrainian engineers scramble to keep mobile phones working
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — With Ukraine scrambling to keep communication lines open during the war, an army of engineers from the country’s phone companies has mobilized to help the public and policymakers stay in touch during repeated Russian missile and drone strikes .
apnews.com
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Putin is now saying that a precondition for any talks is that the West, and presumably Ukraine, recognise their recent annexations. So agree not to negotiate about the things you need to negotiate about in the first place. And some people wonder why Ukrainians are reluctant to talk to the fucker.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I regret that the Ukrainians may not be given any choice in the matter. The "mood music" in the mainstream media seems to have shifted recently. There's a school of thought that the pawns are the most important pieces in chess - but I think that may only apply to chess.
I probably told this story before, but I remember people (who were not Ukrainian) talking about partition of the country when I was in Odessa in 2005. When I heard that I thought "lads, that's really not a good idea". An enforced peace might mean at least the absence of war, for a time - but it will solve nothing at all, and create a springboard for new horrors in the future.
clusterfarce
Member
He is 5 years older. His personal grip on power is more tenuous. The inner core of the Siloviki (the ex KGB people like Patrushev, Bortnikov and Naryshkin) are not in danger of loosing power, but he may simply cease to be the leader and merely a figurehead. He has no exit stratagy from the job, other than putting a weak outer member like Lavrov or Medvedev into the job, but they can be the placemen for others in the core group anyway. So by launching the war and making sure everyone of the main power brokers was on TV supporting it (that wibble session he had just before launching it) was likely a way to shoring up his personal power in the elite cliques.
Also there is no guarantee Trump would have rolled over for him. Trump had a lot of old boomers in his clique who still seen Russia as a foe. People like McConnel are still falling over themselves to be more anti Russia than the Democrats. The sanctions they enacted against Russia show that Trump was not really turning them into pro Russian puppets.
I think there was a lot of moving parts to this story, also the invasion was launched on the expectation that they had a large part of Ukraines politicians on the pay roll and the people were waiting to greet them as liberators. That may not have been the assessment in 2017.
Two part investigation by the Kyiv Independent into abuses in the International Legion
kyivindependent.com
kyivindependent.com
Suicide missions, abuse, physical threats: International Legion fighters speak out against leadership’s misconduct
Disclaimer: The Kyiv Independent is publishing this investigation to shed light on the alleged abuse of power in the leadership of one wing of the International Legion – a legion created for foreign fighters dedicated to defending Ukraine as part
Investigation: International Legion soldiers allege light weapons misappropriation, abuse by commanders
Editor’s Note: This is the second part of the Kyiv Independent’s investigation into the International Legion – a military formation created for foreign fighters dedicated to defending Ukraine. Published in August, the first part of this story unmasked alleged endemic abuse
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Ukrainian forces killed another 510 Russian troops on Friday, bringing the total number of soldiers lost by Russia since the invasion to 90,600.
They also downed another eight drones and managed to take out a tank, according to statistics provided by the Ukrainian general staff of the armed forces.
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They also downed another eight drones and managed to take out a tank, according to statistics provided by the Ukrainian general staff of the armed forces.
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Ukraine war: Zelensky aide reveals up to 13,000 war dead
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The interesting bit for me is how Der Leyen did a press conference in which she quoted '100k Ukrainian military officers killed so far' and then her Political Communication unit had to release a cut version omitting those figures.
Yossarian
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From the BBC: In a video address on Wednesday, EU Commission head Ursula Von der Leyen said that 100,000 Ukrainian troops had been killed. However a spokesperson for the EU Commission later clarified that this was a mistake, and the figure referred to those both killed and injured.
"Von der Leyen confuses number of casualties with number of people killed" seems a likelier explanation than "Ukraine was concealing the real number of soldiers killed but they unwisely shared it with Von der Leyen, who revealed it at her next press conference."
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wouldn't rule that explanation out tbh , despite the Directorate-General for Communication having over 200 staff and a budget of 10m euros, we have all seen errors by other world leaders. They also cut out of the revised video the claim that 20k Ukrainian citizens have been killed. but I think that may have been due to them wanting the edited version to flow.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Last month, the most senior US general, Mark Milley, said around 100,000 Russian and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed or wounded since the start of the war.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Just as we though it was safe to go back into the water
Yossarian
⏭️
I wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine's figures were a massive undercount, it's standard behaviour in wartime, as is not reporting the worst disasters - the sinking of the Lancastria in June 1940 killed between 4,000 and 7,000 people and was the worst disaster in British maritime history but it was hushed up at the time and even 82 years later there's not much said about it.
But it seems like a bit of a stretch to believe that Western leaders and defense officials have been given casualty figure that the public isn't privy to, but that they feel compelled to leak at press conferences.
But it seems like a bit of a stretch to believe that Western leaders and defense officials have been given casualty figure that the public isn't privy to, but that they feel compelled to leak at press conferences.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
No smoke without fire, there have been similar accounts from reliable sources for some months now.
Eg.
strung out
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We've all been there after a messy night out.
Fez909
toilet expert
Ukraine never had 100k officers to begin with, so the statement was clearly not correct.
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