Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[CNT36]

Wars never are fought purely between two armies and it's naive to suggest they are

It was a nightmare post tbh. I cut a load at the beginning about Putin's possible aims targetting civilian's and infrastructure then couldn't tie that to the above sufficiently without making it sound like it only applied if he failed in his aims hitting those targets and then couldn't get the phrasing right at the end to take account of what you highlight. So I thought fuck this, pressed post and had me tea. So I'd go lazy and an often obvious inability to communicate effectively rather than naive.

 

[existentialist]

And he’s going to give them, what, some particularly pointy sticks?

Tsk, they don't bury the dead's firearms with them. "Pick up a rifle and get on with it".

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Tsk, they don't bury the dead's firearms with them. "Pick up a rifle and get on with it".

Well the Russians do have form for that.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And he’s going to give them, what, some particularly pointy sticks?

A viciously sharp bit of mango.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well the Russians do have form for that.

And the chinese

 

[Indeliblelink]

Russia has been firing ageing nuclear missiles at Ukraine but with the warheads removed.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

They keep coming though. Weren't they meant to run out months ago?

 

[Bingoman]

They keep coming though. Weren't they meant to run out months ago?

Clearly not it seems

 

[Indeliblelink]

Vladimir Makey, Belarus foreign affairs minister has died suddenly and the conspiracy theories are flying.

 

[Dystopiary]

Vladimir Makey, Belarus foreign affairs minister has died suddenly and the conspiracy theories are flying.

I didn't hear anything about him being unwell. Well since the regime sold its soul to Russia, perhaps "unexpected" deaths are part of the price to be paid. I think he would have stood a good chance of replacing Lukashenka had he outlived him.

 

[Dystopiary]

Today is Holodomor Memorial Day, which commemorates the victims of the deliberate starvation by the Soviet regime, 1932 - 1933

Holodomor Remembrance Day

 

[Flavour]

Given the massive amount of US military aid to Ukraine and how that is, without question, keeping them in the game, it does beg the question: why didn't Putin do this in 2017?

 

[frogwoman]

Given the massive amount of US military aid to Ukraine and how that is, without question, keeping them in the game, it does beg the question: why didn't Putin do this in 2017?

I think it could literally be as simple as him having nothing better to do during Covid than pore over old maps and watch WW2 movies etc. Nah but seriously I think he's got much more unhinged and detached from reality the last few years

 

[CNT36]

If you're hinting at Trump he may not have felt it necessary to make any big moves when this could swing the US against him. Any concerns about NATO would have been far from his mind given Trumps attitude toward it.

 

[maomao]

Not to anyone who's read macbeth

That's why the table's so long. For all the ghosts.

 

[The39thStep]

Fascinating if depressing article on the scale of arms and munitions in this conflict. When I read it it that Shipbuilding song came into my head .

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/26/world/europe/nato-weapons-shortage-ukraine.html

 

[Chz]

Russia has been firing ageing nuclear missiles at Ukraine but with the warheads removed.
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That's a lot of speculation, given they don't have an intact one and the Soviets made thousands of conventionally armed Kents.

 

[BCBlues]

That's a lot of speculation, given they don't have an intact one and the Soviets made thousands of conventionally armed Kents.

You sure you've spelt that last word correctly

 

[teqniq]

 

[teqniq]

Trench warfare:

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Trench warfare:

As if war isn't shit enough, winter is about to make it a whole load worse.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's why the table's so long. For all the ghosts.

There'll have to get a new one to stretch from the kremlin to novosibirsk

 

[DaveCinzano]

As if war isn't shit enough, winter is about to make it a whole load worse.

It'll all be over by Christmas

 

[elbows]

Whats the electricity situation like in Ukraine now? I noticed that on Novermber 25th the IAEA said the other nuclear plants got reconnected to the grid again:

Update 133 – IAEA Director General Statement on Situation in Ukraine | IAEA

www.iaea.org

 

[Pickman's model]

Whats the electricity situation like in Ukraine now? I noticed that on Novermber 25th the IAEA said the other nuclear plants got reconnected to the grid again:

Update 133 – IAEA Director General Statement on Situation in Ukraine | IAEA

www.iaea.org

you might try

Ukraine Real-Time Electricity Data Explorer – Data Tools - IEA

Ukraine Real-Time Electricity Data Explorer - Data tools. A data tool by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

but it doesn't seem to be going up today

 

[elbows]

you might try

Ukraine Real-Time Electricity Data Explorer – Data Tools - IEA

Ukraine Real-Time Electricity Data Explorer - Data tools. A data tool by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

but it doesn't seem to be going up today

The entso-e graph hasnt updated since February 25th and the UKRENERGO one only goes up to October 27th.

 

[existentialist]

Whats the electricity situation like in Ukraine now? I noticed that on Novermber 25th the IAEA said the other nuclear plants got reconnected to the grid again:

Update 133 – IAEA Director General Statement on Situation in Ukraine | IAEA

www.iaea.org

I rather assumed that when they said "connected to the grid" it was more about supplying power TO them than them supplying power. I guess that they can't really risk bringing them back to an active (non-shutdown) state in case grid connection is lost and they have to do the whole shutdown thing only without power

 

[kebabking]

As if war isn't shit enough, winter is about to make it a whole load worse.

Fairly good thread on effect of winter by Jack Watling at RUSI...

If you can't be arsed to read it: winter makes everything more difficult. Logistics breaks down because logistics means wheels, and mud means no wheels. Troops living in the field who have poor leadership, training or morale tend to suffer badly in winter, and become ineffective.

 

[elbows]

I rather assumed that when they said "connected to the grid" it was more about supplying power TO them than them supplying power. I guess that they can't really risk bringing them back to an active (non-shutdown) state in case grid connection is lost and they have to do the whole shutdown thing only without power

Unlike Zaporizhzhya, these other plants have been producing power except for the periods where their connections were knocked out etc. For example that IAEA statement says:

Ukraine today also confirmed to the IAEA that the three other nuclear power plants – Rivne, South Ukraine and Khmelnytskyy – had been re-connected to the grid and were operating to generate electricity for the country’s needs. Power had also been restored to the Chornobyl site, it said.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Fairly good thread on effect of winter by Jack Watling at RUSI...

If you can't be arsed to read it: winter makes everything more difficult. Logistics breaks down because logistics means wheels, and mud means no wheels. Troops living in the field who have poor leadership, training or morale tend to suffer badly in winter, and become ineffective.

Yup. That does sound really shit.