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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

Russia did shell Nikopol yesterday, which has generally been done from the Power Station or surrounding area over the river. Not surprised if Ukraine chucks the occasional thing back, if you can take something out with a precision round that isn’t especially close to the station then it’s not that great a risk (no more than the risk of a barrel explosion from a poorly maintained Russian artillery piece within the grounds). The area does need to be demilitarised though, but Russia isn’t giving up Europe’s largest nuclear plant when they’re trying to create an energy crisis in Ukraine and Europe.
 
For those wanting an insight into Russia’s motivations towards the war and how they want to conduct it, the regular videos of Russian political discussion shows featuring Kremlin lawmakers, translated by Julia Davis, take you into this dark world.

The below video is a discussion on the infrastructure strikes of recent weeks, with the stated objective being to ‘freeze and rot’ Ukrainian civilians until they rise up and overthrow Zelensky’s ‘Nazi regime’ (the one over 70% of people voted for) and ‘capitulate’ to Russia.

 
For those wanting an insight into Russia’s motivations towards the war and how they want to conduct it, the regular videos of Russian political discussion shows featuring Kremlin lawmakers, translated by Julia Davis, take you into this dark world.

The below video is a discussion on the infrastructure strikes of recent weeks, with the stated objective being to ‘freeze and rot’ Ukrainian civilians until they rise up and overthrow Zelensky’s ‘Nazi regime’ (the one over 70% of people voted for) and ‘capitulate’ to Russia.



Bloody hell - that is deranged.
 
It reminds me in a sick way of how ISIS used to parody Western actions in their propaganda. Something similar to the enough sanctions argument heard here and there that people will rise up and remove X government if their lives are made shit enough. Likely to be about as successful.
 
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The abhorrent Yulia Prokhorova, repellent taunter of Ukrainian refugees in Germany, has been deported back to Russia.



"At the beginning of August a Russian woman chased two Ukrainian women in Salzburg shouting "Glory to Russia" and "Fuck your Ukraine." The girl was identified as Yulia Prokhorova."

Worth noting that she wasn't deported for being unpleasant, but for working and residing in Germany without the relevant permit. I don't suppose her high profile helped her much, there.

ETA: she'll probably have some kind of visa ban (10 years seems typical), and won't be able to get a new visa in any case until she has paid for the costs of her deportation. Which, since it involved a flight from Germany to Russia, which I imagine was not a direct one, are likely to be considerable. Oh dear...anyway.

ETA2: she was deported to Istanbul. Presumably to be flown from there back into Russia.
 
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It reminds me in a sick way of how ISIS used to parody Western actions in their propaganda. Something similar to the enough sanctions argument heard here and there that people will rise up and remove X government if their lives are made shit enough. Likely to be about as successful.

Not just sanctions campaigns either, its also been used as rationale for various forms of bombing from above, including 'shock and awe'.

Some analysts thought Russia might follow that approach from the start, were somewhat surprised that they didnt, and attributed Russias failure to them not using this method.

If we want decent, comprehensive standards for what counts as a war crime, then attacking civilian infrastructure and various other things that ruin the lives of civilians should be part of the rules. But of course this has deep practical implications, it gets in the way of certain aspects of war that no side wishes to give up. And so we end up with a situation where the spirit of 'dont target civilians or their infrastructure' is evoked in lopsided manner, it becomes part of propaganda rather than a standard we truly seek to uphold under all circumstances, in all conflicts. Any rules about it are watered down, with plenty of large holes in them. And military manuals tend to have a built in get out clause that allows civilian infrastructure to be labelled as a legitimate target. Likely there have been attempts to narrow the definition of what counts as a legitimate target in international 'rules of war' but in practice we are still in a situation where the likes of the US Department of Defences manual ends up saying "Electric power stations are generally recognized to be of sufficient importance to a State’s capacity to meet its wartime needs of communication, transport, and industry so as usually to qualify as military objectives during armed conflicts.".

In my book this approach should be condemned whenever it happens, regardless of which side does it. So people are quite correct to be angry, upset and horrified when Russia does it and when they promote, explain and gloat about it in their propaganda. But lets not pretend its a new phenomenon, a brand new low that only Russia would stoop to. When this is pointed out it should never be used to excuse or justify the actions, only to acknowledge how commonplace it is. And something being common and done by all sides is not a reason to give up on loudly opposing it or the idea of consigning it to the dustbin of history.
 
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For those wanting an insight into Russia’s motivations towards the war and how they want to conduct it, the regular videos of Russian political discussion shows featuring Kremlin lawmakers, translated by Julia Davis, take you into this dark world.

The below video is a discussion on the infrastructure strikes of recent weeks, with the stated objective being to ‘freeze and rot’ Ukrainian civilians until they rise up and overthrow Zelensky’s ‘Nazi regime’ (the one over 70% of people voted for) and ‘capitulate’ to Russia.



Putin likes to rant and dribble on about Nazis. So I wonder if his interest extends far enough back in history to when the Nazis tried to cow ordinary Britons by bombing the fuck out of their homes during the Blitz. It wasn't a strategy that worked out for old One-Bollock McShootyface, so what makes Putin think it will work this time round against the Ukrainians?
 
Putin likes to rant and dribble on about Nazis. So I wonder if his interest extends far enough back in history to when the Nazis tried to cow ordinary Britons by bombing the fuck out of their homes during the Blitz. It wasn't a strategy that worked out for old One-Bollock McShootyface, so what makes Putin think it will work this time round against the Ukrainians?
tbf Blitz wasn't a Nazi 'strategy' Hitler sort of ranted himself into it with his promise to escalate if bombs fell on Berlin ...and UK managed to justify that off the back of one bomber ditching its payload before fucking off home (probably by accident), Nazis prior strategy of going after airfields was proving quite effective.

IMO I also don't think bombing Ukrainian civilians is about the direct impact it has on Ukrainians - more about generating sufficiently a displaced number to impact on European politics. Mind you, similar thing happened runup to WW2...with the likes of Mosely et al trying to rail against those with sufficient foresight to flee persecution
 
Putin likes to rant and dribble on about Nazis. So I wonder if his interest extends far enough back in history to when the Nazis tried to cow ordinary Britons by bombing the fuck out of their homes during the Blitz. It wasn't a strategy that worked out for old One-Bollock McShootyface, so what makes Putin think it will work this time round against the Ukrainians?
I think if the Germans had invaded the UK they would have succeeded in subjugating the populace. However they turned right and attacked the USSR and fucked up. We still owe a debt imo.
 
I think if the Germans had invaded the UK they would have succeeded in subjugating the populace.
What on earth are you basing that ridiculous claim on?

There was ample provisions in place to continue fighting the Nazis if they had successfully invaded England.

 
I think if the Germans had invaded the UK they would have succeeded in subjugating the populace. However they turned right and attacked the USSR and fucked up. We still owe a debt imo.
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who? the Soviets?
Took a good 40 years for the a lot of the Warsaw Pact to break free of the Yalta stich up UK wasn't really in a position to prevent
 
The mongols chucked plague infected cadavers at settlements in the Crimea about 800 years ago as a way of getting control of the place. Surprised Ivan hasn’t gone full dark ages in the region yet.
 
We would have got done. The USSR took the brunt though. Thirty plus million dead. As I said, we owe a debt.

Took you briefly off ignore. Jesus christ you're a fucking confused moron. We owe a debt? What people in the UK who weren't about then owe a debt to people who also weren't about then in a country that doesn't now also exist? Unless you mean the British State owes the Russian State some kind of 'free pass', which given your posting history on this topic it wouldn't surprise me you thick pseudo-Tankie loon.
 
Shall I write the post in bigger letters for you?

This vvv

Took you briefly off ignore. Jesus christ you're a fucking confused moron. We owe a debt? What people in the UK who weren't about then owe a debt to people who also weren't about then in a country that doesn't now also exist? Unless you mean the British State owes the Russian State some kind of 'free pass', which given your posting history on this topic it wouldn't surprise me you thick pseudo-Tankie loon.
 
What on earth are you basing that ridiculous claim on?

There was ample provisions in place to continue fighting the Nazis if they had successfully invaded England.

yeh like the citadel by the national police monument. have you heard of eben emael, the top dutch fort which was supposed to be really tough? the one the nazis took in a morning? if the germans had successfully invaded i am by no means as sanguine as you are that control stations would have done the trick against the german army.
 
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