Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[A380]

I would say so, if the Russians were going to start on Poland they'd probably try and hit something other than a farm.

Unless they got confused about the silo's thing.

Massive fear of the tractor threat.

 

[kebabking]

I was right as well.

One out of nine hundred and eighty seven predictions coming true: that's pretty good, isn't it?

 

[Dystopiary]

Although many were intercepted, Russian missiles today have been targetting Kyiv, Dnipro, Poltava, Mykolaiv, Zhytomyr, Lviv, Khmelnytskiy, Cherkasy, Chernihiv and Odesa. Homes have been hit as well as critical infrastructure; seven million homes were left without power across Ukraine earlier, and also parts of Moldova.

Spoiler: Moldova's foreign minister

At least one person has died after residential buildings were hit in the Pechersk region of Kyiv.

Ukraine war: At least one person killed as residential buildings hit by airstrikes in capital Kyiv

 

[Ax^]

Btw, the location of the missile strike is close to a thermal power plant, and also cross-border electrical supply, both of which are the types of targets hit in today’s raids. So likely they were firing at something in the area close to the border.

apparently the crater is too big for an S300 air defence missile alone, so current theories are that the ‘two missiles’ that struck might have been air defence and an actual cruise missile.

should not really fuck with grain silos kinda explodly anyways

 

[Raheem]

not great - but its not a major escalation - its accidental. Reckless endangerment (assuming its the Russians) which will have consequences - but nowhere close to Poland (and NATO) joining the fight.

Depends what you mean by "joining the fight". Poland isn't going to declare war on Russia. But there's surely going to be domestic pressure for some form of active air defence over Ukrainian and/or Belarusian territory. It's difficult for a government to say that its people facing getting occasionally blown to bits doesn't meet the threshold for doing anything at all.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I think a lot of us are afraid that it could be many many millions. And there's nothing wrong with asking at what cost when armchair generals are yelling for every inch of Ukraine to be fought for. I'm far far from hopeful for peace though.

its the Ukrainians who are "yelling for every inch of Ukraine to be fought for" - the cost they are prepared to pay for that is their decision - it being their lives and their homes and their land. Are we supposed to stop supporting them because of Putin's threat to commit nuclear genocide?

 

[frogwoman]

Yep the Polish government are being cautious atm but they'll face pressure to do something domestically

 

[frogwoman]

its the Ukrainians who are "yelling for every inch of Ukraine to be fought for" - the cost they are prepared to pay for that is their decision - it being their lives and their homes and their land. Are we supposed to stop supporting them because of Putin's threat to commit nuclear genocide?

Yep this

 

[steveo87]

"What's it like living in the UK?"

 

[frogwoman]

If we don't support Ukraine in some form we will end up with much bigger problems imo

 

[frogwoman]

Hard to see how the botoxed up megalomaniac holding his tank parade in Kyiv with Simonyan, Lavrov and fucking Prigozhin would have left the world in any more of a safer or less precarious state than it is today.

 

[Humberto]

Respect, gratitude and whatever token solidarity is all I feel.

 

[maomao]

its the Ukrainians who are "yelling for every inch of Ukraine to be fought for" - the cost they are prepared to pay for that is their decision - it being their lives and their homes and their land. Are we supposed to stop supporting them because of Putin's threat to commit nuclear genocide?

Go thump a Russian and leave me alone then you boring cunt. I'd just rather we didn't all die.

 

[teqniq]

The crimes Putin is responsible for, let alone his cronies... I would at the very leat hope for some sort of comeuppance.

 

[WouldBe]

Go thump a Russian and leave me alone then you boring cunt. I'd just rather we didn't all die.

So in other words any rogue country that wants more 'lebensraum' can invade and take whatever it wants.

 

[teqniq]

So in other words any rogue country that wants more 'lebensraum' can invade and take whatever it wants.

I think maomao is worried that we could all die in a nuclear holocaust, and there is something to be said for that to be fair. I'm more than a little concerned myself. Putin et al however are complete scum as they have shown many times over and if there was some way to make them pay for what they have done, to their own people, to the the people of Chechnya, Syria and most lately Ukraine I would not shed a tear.

 

[frogwoman]

I'd also add that for many people, not just in Ukraine the worst has already happened

 

[2hats]

One possibility (though SW Belarus is just within reported S-300 ground attack range).

🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons)

So what crashed in the village of Przewodów, Poland today? With the cooperation of @blueboy1969 we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.

nitter.net

 

[Dogsauce]

not great - but its not a major escalation - its accidental. Reckless endangerment (assuming its the Russians) which will have consequences - but nowhere close to Poland (and NATO) joining the fight.

This was the biggest attack on Ukraine’s infrastructure to date, leaving millions without power and water. Targets included electrical grid and pipeline connections to other countries that Ukraine supplies or has supplied with electricity and oil/gas, for example cutting off Moldova and Hungary. It’s an escalation regardless of whatever happened over the Polish border.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think maomao is worried that we could all die in a nuclear holocaust, and there is something to be said for that to be fair. I'm more than a little concerned myself. Putin et al however are complete scum as they have shown many times over and if there was some way to make them pay for what they have done, to their own people, to the the people of Chechnya, Syria and most lately Ukraine I would not shed a tear.

The problem is that millions of russians will also have to pay the bill, not simply putin and his cabal

 

[TopCat]

There were several reports today of a ten point plan Zelensky urged the G20 lot to adopt. I can't find the actual plan, anyone seen it?

 

[TopCat]

I think maomao is worried that we could all die in a nuclear holocaust, and there is something to be said for that to be fair. I'm more than a little concerned myself. Putin et al however are complete scum as they have shown many times over and if there was some way to make them pay for what they have done, to their own people, to the the people of Chechnya, Syria and most lately Ukraine I would not shed a tear.

Are you wanting a war with Russia?

 

[teqniq]

Are you wanting a war with Russia?

Seriously? Lol, no. How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion from my post? In terms of 'making them pay' I am talking about them alone. And before you come back with something trite like 'yeah but, but, whaddabout....?' Kissinger, Bush, Blair etc are on the list too.

It's always ordinary people that have to pay for their awfulness, i wish it were different.

 

[Ming]

It's continuing to escalate...I'm going to hit the credit card pretty hard. Don't want to go out without a maxed out limit.

 

[Sir Belchalot]

Polish strike may have been a Russian typo hitting 50.47719 23.96488 rather than 50.37719 23.96488 which is an airstrip.

 

[Leighsw2]

How many people are you okay with dying in order to keep Donetsk and Lugansk Ukrainian? A million? Ten million?

I think that's a question for the Ukrainians, not us. It is their country after all. As long as they're willing to carry on fighting, we should carry on arming them. (BTW. so pleased that people like you weren't around in 1940. Well, actually there were, but they were in internment camps thankfully!)

 

[Humberto]

You might want to read that one back.

 

[Leighsw2]

I think a lot of us are afraid that it could be many many millions. And there's nothing wrong with asking at what cost when armchair generals are yelling for every inch of Ukraine to be fought for. I'm far far from hopeful for peace though.

I think you'll find it's real generals and actual soldiers who are fighting to liberate Ukraine from Russian imperialism. The people in the armchairs are people like you in safe western countries who think it's acceptable to give away someone else's country so they can feel 'safe'.

 

[Humberto]

I think you'll find it's real generals and actual soldiers who are fighting to liberate Ukraine from Russian imperialism. The people in the armchairs are people like you in safe western countries who think it's acceptable to give away someone else's country so they can feel 'safe'.

Yeah I mean the bit about the camps you saddo.

I think that's a question for the Ukrainians, not us. It is their country after all. As long as they're willing to carry on fighting, we should carry on arming them. (BTW. so pleased that people like you weren't around in 1940. Well, actually there were, but they were in internment camps thankfully!)

 

[Humberto]

'People like you'