Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[keybored]

Apologies for the tweet dump - but a Russian T-62 tank, an actual unmodified one from the mid-60's, one that was almost certainly transferred to a Red Army C-type formation (mobilised age 30+ former conscripts, and obsolete equipment) before Ronald Reagan became President of the US...



Shit. The. Fucking. Bed.

Is that a 60's OEM Cope Cage I see?

 

[frogwoman]

Worrying report about a guy who surrendered in Ukraine and was kidnapped in Kyiv by Wagner operatives and sent back to Russia in a 'prisoner swap' (dubious) where he was killed and his execution filmed.

 

[Dystopiary]

Worrying report about a guy who surrendered in Ukraine and was kidnapped in Kyiv by Wagner operatives and sent back to Russia in a 'prisoner swap' (dubious) where he was killed and his execution filmed.

Rothrock's just added

An important correction: in the video, Nuzhin doesn't say that he was swapped in a POW exchange. He says merely that he was kidnapped from Kyiv, where he was apparently walking freely. The claim about the prisoner swap is a separate Telegram rumor.

 

[Pickman's model]

Apologies for the tweet dump - but a Russian T-62 tank, an actual unmodified one from the mid-60's, one that was almost certainly transferred to a Red Army C-type formation (mobilised age 30+ former conscripts, and obsolete equipment) before Ronald Reagan became President of the US...



Shit. The. Fucking. Bed.

Sure the t-34s won't be far behind

 

[spitfire]

Interesting thread here from one of the people getting Ukraine's railways back up and running.

 

[The39thStep]

Ukraine government impose new whole level of Meldrewism.

CNN and Sky News journalists stripped of their accreditation for reporting from Kherson

Several journalists working for foreign media have been stripped of their accreditation for reporting from liberated Kherson.

www.pravda.com.ua

 

[keybored]

Ukraine government impose new whole level of Meldrewism.

CNN and Sky News journalists stripped of their accreditation for reporting from Kherson

Several journalists working for foreign media have been stripped of their accreditation for reporting from liberated Kherson.

www.pravda.com.ua

Well you wouldn't want Kay Burley to get shelled, would you?

 

[tim]

Ukraine government impose new whole level of Meldrewism.

CNN and Sky News journalists stripped of their accreditation for reporting from Kherson

Several journalists working for foreign media have been stripped of their accreditation for reporting from liberated Kherson.

www.pravda.com.ua

Given that there's a war on, it strikes me as being more an example Hodgestrian petty-fogging rather than Meldrewism.

 

[The39thStep]

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Given that there's a war on, it strikes me as being more an example Hodgestrian petty-fogging rather than Meldrewism.

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People often confuse the two but even in the reconstructed international they were clearly different tendencies.
Also found out that Sky News isn’t on the list of foreign TV channels approved by the Ukrainian government anyway. Those crowds wouldn’t have had a clue who they were .

 

[Raheem]

Well you wouldn't want Kay Burley to get shelled, would you?

Only if she's an egg.

 

[Pickman's model]

People often confuse the two but even in the reconstructed international they were clearly different tendencies.
Also found out that Sky News isn’t on the list of foreign TV channels approved by the Ukrainian government anyway. Those crowds wouldn’t have had a clue who they were .

everyone knows who kay burley is

 

[skyscraper101]

So has all this paranoia about Kherson being booby trapped and a ruse by the Russians to lure the liberators into a trap unfounded so far?

 

[Pickman's model]

So has all this paranoia about Kherson being booby trapped and a ruse by the Russians to lure the liberators into a trap unfounded so far?

the paranoia coming from a senior ukrainian official you mean?


Russia-Ukraine war: Russian booby traps turning Kherson into ‘city of death’, says Ukraine official – as it happened

 

[skyscraper101]

the paranoia coming from a senior ukrainian official you mean?

yes

 

[TopCat]

Are there any hosts of Ukrainians on this thread?

 

[kebabking]

Are there any hosts of Ukrainians on this thread?

We were, why?

 

[editor]

So has all this paranoia about Kherson being booby trapped and a ruse by the Russians to lure the liberators into a trap unfounded so far?

Given Russia's track record in this war, I would say it was extremely prudent to be cautious about returning to areas they occupied.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are there any hosts of Ukrainians on this thread?

do you mean hosts people who've looked after them or hosts a great number of people?

 

[skyscraper101]

Given Russia's track record in this war, I would say it was extremely prudent to be cautious about returning to areas they occupied.

Yeah, I wasn’t suggesting they shouldn't be, but it seems those fears haven't been realised so far. Which is obvs a relief.

 

[editor]

Yeah, I wasn’t suggesting they shouldn't be, but it seems those fears haven't been realised so far. Which is obvs a relief.

You used the word 'paranoia.'

 

[The39thStep]

Given Russia's track record in this war, I would say it was extremely prudent to be cautious about returning to areas they occupied.

Yup the Ukrainians are have a strict curfew in Kherson itself , are evacuating residents from the surrounding area and are patrolling for mines .

 

[Cid]

Zambia is apparently (and understandably) a little confused as to how a student who was doing time in Moscow ended up dead fighting in Ukraine...

Biden and Xi condemn Russian nuclear threats; Zelenskiy visits liberated Kherson – as it happened

US and Chinese presidents agree nuclear war ‘should never be fought’, White House says; Zelenskiy accuses Russia of more than 400 war crimes

www.theguardian.com

 

[8ball]

Zambia is apparently (and understandably) a little confused as to how a student who was doing time in Moscow ended up dead fighting in Ukraine...

Biden and Xi condemn Russian nuclear threats; Zelenskiy visits liberated Kherson – as it happened

US and Chinese presidents agree nuclear war ‘should never be fought’, White House says; Zelenskiy accuses Russia of more than 400 war crimes

www.theguardian.com

<raises hand, tentatively…>

 

[frogwoman]

Putin’s Private Army Goes Full ISIS With Sledgehammer Execution Video

Victim of sledgehammer killing appears to have been a Russian prisoner recruited into the Wagner mercenary group.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[kebabking]

Putin’s Private Army Goes Full ISIS With Sledgehammer Execution Video

Victim of sledgehammer killing appears to have been a Russian prisoner recruited into the Wagner mercenary group.

www.thedailybeast.com

Aside from the grotesque and abhorrence of the act, the Wagner group is displaying another problem for Putin: they seem to be slipping out of his control.

The Russian government, when asked about the video and execution, said 'its not our business'. Wagner group have their own fighter aircraft operating in Ukraine, it's arguable about how much they depend on the logistics of the Russian Army, and how much the Russian army depends on the Wagner group...

Putin has set these groups up - as well at the Byzantine plethora of different ministries each with their own armies - as a way both to do his dirty work, and to provide his government with multiple, and mutually suspicious, layers of protection, but what's been created is beginning to look rather like the 'over mighty subjects' of the English medieval period. The Chesters, the Gloucesters, the de Montfords, the Mortimers, the Nevilles, the Percies, the Dudleys, the Norfolks....

 

[Pickman's model]

Aside from the grotesque and abhorrence of the act, the Wagner group is displaying another problem for Putin: they seem to be slipping out of his control.

The Russian government, when asked about the video and execution, said 'its not our business'. Wagner group have their own fighter aircraft operating in Ukraine, it's arguable about how much they depend on the logistics of the Russian Army, and how much the Russian army depends on the Wagner group...

Putin has set these groups up - as well at the Byzantine plethora of different ministries each with their own armies - as a way both to do his dirty work, and to provide his government with multiple, and mutually suspicious, layers of protection, but what's been created is beginning to look rather like the 'over mighty subjects' of the English medieval period. The Chesters, the Gloucesters, the de Montfords, the Mortimers, the Nevilles, the Percies, the Dudleys, the Norfolks....

To be fair there's a long history of various Soviet / Russian ministries having their own troops, it's not something putin started.

 

[nogojones]

To be fair there's a long history of various Soviet / Russian ministries having their own troops, it's not something putin started.

And Blackwater and other western PMC's were around long before Wagner was born. Get dirty shit done at an arms distance from the state.

 

[agricola]

To be fair there's a long history of various Soviet / Russian ministries having their own troops, it's not something putin started.

You'd think someone as smart as him would have stopped doing that though; lets face it the record of such private troops is not exactly one of success (either on their terms or globally).

 

[Pickman's model]

And Blackwater and other western PMC's were around long before Wagner was born. Get dirty shit done at an arms distance from the state.

Keenie-meenie

 

[Pickman's model]

You'd think someone as smart as him would have stopped doing that though; lets face it the record of such private troops is not exactly one of success (either on their terms or globally).

On their terms the mercenaries or on their terms the governments'?