Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
And provided Putin allowed all those forcibly deported to parts of Russia to return home. And a whole lot more.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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strung out
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You're a fucking genius, you are.
strung out
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Certainly not in the most recent votes in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Preconditions won’t help no?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Any negotiation starts with preconditions, whether they are explicit or implicit. I can't think of a situation like this where the parties are going to go in without some red lines that they're not prepared to cross. And it's better if they're explicit and clear - if nothing else, it saves wasting a lot of time. There's not much point Russia and Ukraine sitting round a table if Russia has already decided that giving up Donbas is non-negotiable...or that they are expected to stick to the terms of the negotiated agreement once it has been reached.
And if one of Zelenskiy's preconditions is "a return to 2014 borders", who is anyone to say he shouldn't set that precondition? Especially since Russia has not shown itself capable of sticking to the terms of previous negotiated agreements.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wasn’t there supposed to be some sort of consultation on more powers for those areas as part of the 2014 ceasefire agreements?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Must be fairer than the Russian referendum.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Really?Must be fairer than the Russian referendum.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It'd be hard for it to be less fair than the Russian referenda...Must be fairer than the Russian referendum.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
How did Zelenskyy get to power, threaten to tell bad jokes?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I think that's mostly trolling on their behalf and the fun narrative that Trump was just Putins puppet.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Much in the way of evidence of electoral fraud post 2004?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
TBF, Ukraine has acknowledged that corruption is endemic - indeed, Zelenskiy was elected on an anti-corruption platform - and it's pretty deeply embedded. But they've made a lot of progress since 2004 towards at least having a reasonably credible election system...certainly, far more progress than Russia has made in the past 30 years.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Russia fired a huge volley of missiles at Ukraine today in its latest toddler tantrum.
Two of them ‘went astray’ and landed over the Polish border, killing two people. Polish Prime Minister is urgently convening a security council meeting to determine a response. Shit might get real here.
Two of them ‘went astray’ and landed over the Polish border, killing two people. Polish Prime Minister is urgently convening a security council meeting to determine a response. Shit might get real here.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It’s hardly been wholly free or fair. There was mass intimidation on various sides. It was still run by oligarchs who bought votes, whether for the pro-Russians or the pro-eu lot. The 2014 election was marked with appalling violence.
Just cos the Russian invasion was appalling, we shouldn’t whitewash the fact that Ukraine was a fucking basket case before the invasion.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
It's all over twitter but nothing in the Graun or beeb yet, they're always quite slow as they have verifications to do.
Wonder what the deal with is re Art. 5 if it was unintentional? I don't realistically think that Art. 5 would be triggered by such an act but it's the first step on a very scary road.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm where they that upset by getting a blocking at the G20 and saying matey went to hospital
sure they come out shortly to proclaim fake news
hmm populist and right wing party in Poland sure they have a measure response
**mention on sky now
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Wouldn't 'Russia's Tucker Carlson' be, well, just Tucker Carlson?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
A 23-year old Zambian man who moved to Russia to study at the Moscow Engineering Physics Institute has ended up dead in Ukraine. Lemekhani Nathan Nyirenda had been serving a nine-year sentence in a prison in Tver; the student's father said his son "was working as a part-time courier when an unknown person handed him a package containing drugs."
Now the Zambian authorities want answers.
Ukraine war: Zambia demands answers for death of student Lemekhani Nyirenda
Now the Zambian authorities want answers.
Ukraine war: Zambia demands answers for death of student Lemekhani Nyirenda
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Although, thanks to the Ukrainian response, at least there aren't posters on here saying it would be wrong to try to push Putin's Russia out of Gdansk and Lublin..
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
So could this draw Poland or Nago into the conflict?
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Depends what it was. Some speculation it could have been a stray air defence missile(s) fired by Ukraine, in which case nothing will happen. If it’s Russian kit, even if unintended, then they are responsible. There will be a response of some kind, not necessarily military.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
believe it will cause international condemnation and plenty of strong words from Poland
Birds in the air hopefully unlikely
new recruit from poland for the Ukraine army i'd say nationalism in poland is quite high
and wounds from the second world war are not healed
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