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Yes, because if the UK wasn't sending aid to Ukraine, that money would definitely be going to people on disability benefits instead.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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That said the money still wouldn't be going towards killing/disabling workers elsewhere.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
You honestly see military aid to Ukraine, as malevolently and specifically contributing to ‘killing and disabling workers’?
Ok
Okay I withdraw malevolently and specifically
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Well that’s your implication, isn’t it? If not, what’s the point of your post?
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
They're not Russian soldiers, they're special military workers
nogojones
spelling is overrated
They're most likely press ganged Ukrainian workers from Donetsk and Lushank at this point.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think that's a rather narrow view. I don't think it's a huge stretch to suggest that support for Ukraine is about preventing the killing and disabling of workers elsewhere - look at what is being uncovered in Izyum.
Unless you're coming from some idealistic premise that says that if we don't respond to aggression, the aggression will somehow stop
We have so many pressing problems at home I don't for the life of me see why the UK should be in the van as regards this war.I also don't believe that there is anything particularly idealistic in believing as a general principle that defunding the military can save lives.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
We’re sending vans as well as weapons now? Cool.
Oro
Probably are - bloke at work recently sold a clapped out land rover that he had purchased from the Most for a very good price to some shyster shipping materiel out to Ukraine
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I wonder how many of the people of Ukraine you could persuade, that defunding their military would be a pragmatic, sensible and non idealistic proposition.
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The problem is that not supporting Ukraine sends the message that any nuclear or sufficiently large military power can just invade their weaker neighbours and annexe territory whenever they feel like it with zero repercussions.
Sorry, but a world in which that is allowed to occur is not one I want to live in.
gosub
~#
well its either that or finish their prison sentences
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
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steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Talk of Russians scrambling to hold bogus unionist plebiscites in "DPR" and "LPR" later this week as a prelude to announcing mobilisation.
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Exactly. Since when did Tory MPS (or New Labour) care about disabled people in receipt on benefits in the first place! It's depressing but unsurprising to see this kind of reductionist argument doing the rounds, not least because using vulnerable people's ongoing marginalisation to argue an over-simplistic whataboutism is pretty problematic in itself. But mostly because it's such a lazy, dishonest, "either/or" narrative which doesn't reflect how governments choose to prioritise issues, despite what the greedy buggers like to tell us (as with Theresa May's "there's no Magic Money Tree").
I’ve said it before. Spending a billion now to defang Russia as part of a united front, leaving it wary of invading anybody else in Europe in the future, is a lot cheaper than having later to actually go to full-on war. It’s good risk mitigation, in other words. People always resent spending money on risk controls because it appears that the money is spent for no gain — if the control works, the bad thing never actually happens. But if you don’t spend the money, you sure as hell regret later that you missed your chance.
Flavour
hang the bankers
Erdogan reckons he can be the peacemaker
Turkey's Erdogan: Russia's Putin willing to end war
As Ukraine reclaims more land, the Turkish leader says Russia aims to end the war as soon as possible.
www.bbc.com
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It’s not like they’re handing over a billion quid to Ukraine in cash anyway. This is mostly military kit that’s been bought and paid for years ago, some of it surplus or near the end of its shelf life. It was there in case we needed to use it, now there is reason to. This is the same with most counties donating stuff.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Erdogan reckons he can be the peacemaker
Turkey's Erdogan: Russia's Putin willing to end war
As Ukraine reclaims more land, the Turkish leader says Russia aims to end the war as soon as possible.www.bbc.com
And, yet plenty of other media outlets are reporting Putin has no intention of withdrawing.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Thought you at least would see the irony of the two announcements on this morning's news a billion quids worth of machines for killing and disabling people a thousand miles away and a token few quid to help those who rely on PIP or DLA here at home.I am not using anyone people close to me stuck in unheated damp homes are petrified contemplating what this winter might bring.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
What do you suggest we do about Ukraine, just let Russia have their way? Let them then move into Moldova? Followed by picking off the Baltic states? Poland?
Where would you draw the line?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh if there's one thing we know about the Russian armed forces it's that they're not really in a state to invade anywhere right now and probably won't be for some time to come. The notion that somehow forces which have proved far less potent than expected will successfully invade Moldova, the baltic states and Poland is an utter fantasy
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