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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

Yossarian said:
I think "counting pennies" sounds a bit dismissive to British ears, Zelenska was not speaking English during the interview so I'm not sure her words were intended to have the same impact.

But interpreting it as "Wealthy Ukrainian First Lady, Speaking From Gilded Palace, Insults Freezing 'Penny-Pinching' Britons" would require a level of anti-Ukrainian bias so strong that Russian state media might think twice about that angle.
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It's the kind of thinking that leads to this sort of nonsense:

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A380 said:
One of the significant contributors to reducing carbon has been the advent of on demand telly. This means that National Grid rarely have to manage a 'TV Pickup' ramp in demand these days which means the supply is smoother which means less need to dispatch from gas peaking plant...
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Well I suggest the civil service still might need its carbon paper when things like Premiership matches and rugby internationals finish
 
We'll be counting bodies again here soon enough. And we'll vote the culprits back in again too, soon enough.

I don't care if Mrs.Zelensky is a bit snippy about our relative luxury, she is not our problem whereas all the aggro over what Russia is doing is a genuine threat to our solidarity here, in the face of the problems we do have. Is that important?
 
Yossarian said:
The BBC quotes her as saying:

"I understand the situation is very tough. But let me recall that at the time of the Covid-19 epidemic, and it's still with us, when there were price hikes, Ukraine was affected as well. The prices are going up in Ukraine as well. But in addition our people get killed. So when you start counting pennies on your bank account or in your pocket, we do the same and count our casualties."

Nothing there seems particularly incorrect, insensitive, or controversial.
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It should be - I mean, the reason why this is impacting us to greatly is not "because of Putin's war", its because years / decades of neglect by our government left us badly prepared for any crisis. COVID-19 was much worse than it should have been because of that neglect.

Then there is the fairly obvious likelihood that there will be a very uneven balance in terms of who suffers, just as there has been with all the last few crises. If there is a genuine national effort to deal with this, if everyone in the country is banding together (emergency taxes on the wealthy, proper help for small businesses, actual leadership in terms of energy consumption reduction / rationing etc) then it is much more likely to succeed in coming through this without too much damage. If on the other hand the same people take the piss yet again, if they focus on the short-term benefit to themselves at everyone elses expense, then there is very little chance of a successful outcome.
 
teqniq said:
It's the kind of thinking that leads to this sort of nonsense:

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This is seen to an even greater extent in the US, where hard-right Republicans have singled out the Biden administration's financial support for Ukraine and complained that the money should be spent on helping poorer Americans, while neglecting to mention that they have done their best to shoot down every initiative that would spend money on helping poorer Americans.
 
agricola said:
It should be - I mean, the reason why this is impacting us to greatly is not "because of Putin's war", its because years / decades of neglect by our government left us badly prepared for any crisis. COVID-19 was much worse than it should have been because of that neglect.
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Well, obviously the energy crisis and the government's handling of it is more than enough reason to bring out the guillotine, but I don't think Zelenska's remarks contain anything particularly controversial.
 
TopCat said:
So you bring up a selective context free quote from another thread? Really?
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It’s from this thread. Another ‘error’ you have made. I imagine that even now you are scurrying to delete it as people click on the link to find out…
 
Yossarian said:
Well, obviously the energy crisis and the government's handling of it is more than enough reason to bring out the guillotine, but I don't think Zelenska's remarks contain anything particularly controversial.
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From her point of view they possibly aren't, but when she (and her husband, who is in the Mail today) are fitting in to a narrative that are current shower are using to try and avoid blame I think they should be controversial. I mean, if Truss calls an election later this week would anyone be happy for Zelenska et al to go on and on about how Johnson / the Tories saved their country so we should vote for them?
 
agricola said:
From her point of view they possibly aren't, but when she (and her husband, who is in the Mail today) are fitting in to a narrative that are current shower are using to try and avoid blame I think they should be controversial. I mean, if Truss calls an election later this week would anyone be happy for Zelenska et al to go on and on about how Johnson / the Tories saved their country so we should vote for them?
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She seemed to be speaking in extremely general terms relevant to any country in Europe dealing with higher energy prices, obviously it would be wrong for Zelenska or her husband to endorse any candidate in a British election.
 
Yossarian said:
She seemed to be speaking in extremely general terms relevant to any country in Europe dealing with higher energy prices, obviously it would be wrong for Zelenska or her husband to endorse any candidate in a British election.
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her husband comes pretty close in his Mail piece today:

I am proud to say again that during this difficult time the UK has stood shoulder to shoulder with us, as the dearest friend and closest ally. As president, I realise that the policy and actions of the Government embody the public will.

I am impressed by the number of Ukrainian flags flying high and proudly throughout the United Kingdom to demonstrate solidarity with Ukraine and Ukrainians.

I am deeply encouraged by the unanimity and cohesion of all political parties in the British Parliament in support of Ukraine. People in the UK should know that every day of struggle for their very existence, Ukrainians are immensely grateful to your country.

But I also believe in the power of personal leadership. I know it has not been an easy ride for Boris Johnson as he had to deal with many internal challenges. Prioritising support for Ukraine demanded great courage and determination.

The Ukrainian government has also worked closely and effectively with the UK Government and Ministers at all levels in recent months.

Among them, I am most grateful to two other great leaders and friends of Ukraine – Liz Truss, the Foreign Secretary, and Ben Wallace, your Defence Secretary. They spearheaded the efforts of their respective departments and services, helping to build resilience and support for Ukraine around the globe.

In a few days, the UK will have a new Prime Minister. As Ukraine’s President, I will be happy to establish close relations with, as Boris Johnson recently said, ‘any British Prime Minister, male or female’.

I sincerely hope that Boris’s legacy in this fight against Russian barbarism will be preserved.
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He did mention all parties and the public, but the entire thrust of the article is about Johnson and his Government.
 
agricola said:
her husband comes pretty close in his Mail piece today:



He did mention all parties and the public, but the entire thrust of the article is about Johnson and his Government.
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He praised the departing prime minister for his support and mentioned "the unanimity and cohesion of all political parties in the British Parliament in support of Ukraine" - what else did anybody expect him to say? It reads like a statement composed by a press secretary, which it probably is.
 
Mykolaiv was bombarded overnight.

Three medical institutions, two educational institutions, a hotel & a museum were significantly damaged.Residential buildings were also targeted.

A grain elevator has been hit, destroying thousands of tons of grain.
 
Speaking of Churchill , I was always impressed with the menu Churchill got his staff to bash out for his birthday meal in 1943 with Stalin and Roosevelt

Menu​

Bloody Mary Cocktails

Pol Roger Champagne

Johnny Walker Black Label Whisky

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Ash-e-Jow (Persian barley soup)

Poached salmon trout with beluga caviar garnish

Roast turkey with roast potatoes and seasonal vegetables

Persian saffron ice cream

Cheese souffle

***

1936 Maison Louis Jadot Chablis

1934 Domaine Laurent Combier Crouzes-Hermitage

Graham’s Vintage Character Port
 
The39thStep said:
Speaking of Churchill , I was always impressed with the menu Churchill got his staff to bash out for his birthday meal in 1943 with Stalin and Roosevelt

Menu​

Bloody Mary Cocktails

Pol Roger Champagne

Johnny Walker Black Label Whisky

***

Ash-e-Jow (Persian barley soup)

Poached salmon trout with beluga caviar garnish

Roast turkey with roast potatoes and seasonal vegetables

Persian saffron ice cream

Cheese souffle

***

1936 Maison Louis Jadot Chablis

1934 Domaine Laurent Combier Crouzes-Hermitage

Graham’s Vintage Character Port
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Shame to interrupt the drinking for a bit of fish and turkey.
 
The39thStep said:
Speaking of Churchill , I was always impressed with the menu Churchill got his staff to bash out for his birthday meal in 1943 with Stalin and Roosevelt

Menu​

Bloody Mary Cocktails

Pol Roger Champagne

Johnny Walker Black Label Whisky

***

Ash-e-Jow (Persian barley soup)

Poached salmon trout with beluga caviar garnish

Roast turkey with roast potatoes and seasonal vegetables

Persian saffron ice cream

Cheese souffle

***

1936 Maison Louis Jadot Chablis

1934 Domaine Laurent Combier Crouzes-Hermitage

Graham’s Vintage Character Port
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It was in the Russian Embassy, so wouldn't Stalin have been doing the cooking, rather than Churchill?
 
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The39thStep said:
Speaking of Churchill , I was always impressed with the menu Churchill got his staff to bash out for his birthday meal in 1943 with Stalin and Roosevelt

Menu​

Bloody Mary Cocktails

Pol Roger Champagne

Johnny Walker Black Label Whisky

***

Ash-e-Jow (Persian barley soup)

Poached salmon trout with beluga caviar garnish

Roast turkey with roast potatoes and seasonal vegetables

Persian saffron ice cream

Cheese souffle

***

1936 Maison Louis Jadot Chablis

1934 Domaine Laurent Combier Crouzes-Hermitage

Graham’s Vintage Character Port
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he was only eating light should look up his daily diet and alcohol consumption
 
Raheem said:
It was in the Russian Embassy, so wouldn't Stalin have been doing the cooking, rather than Churchill?
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None of them did any cooking they all took turns to host a night. Churchill was ill or something so missed the Roosevelt meal which was steak and baked potatoes. I'm intrigued as to what Stalin's menu was.
 
The39thStep said:
None of them did any cooking they all took turns to host a night. Churchill was ill or something so missed the Roosevelt meal which was steak and baked potatoes. I'm intrigued as to what Stalin's menu was.
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He had an excellent personal chef, who was, no doubt, capable of garnishing and personalising the dishes served to special guests.

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