Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Well that's possible. But you don't really know any more than I do. If it were a big thing there would be more evidence right now, rather than in the past. In the Ukraine, not in some Russian propaganda.
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hiraethified
Or they're simply bystanders/locals/soldiers who don't have any affiliation with their politics at all, but were unfortunate enough to end up in a prison with them before being brutally tortured and murdered.
Really sad to see you enthusiastically supporting war crimes.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You assume they are good guys despite all the glaring evidence. You do this I suspect as to accept reality rather undermines the simplistic positions you and a few others have adopted.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The only person here with a simplistic position seems to be you tbh. Pretty much everyone else has acknowledged that the history and make-up of the Azov unit is mixed and complicated, and has resulted in a unit that has far right roots and history, but from recent reports (INCLUDING BY UKRAINIAN COMRADES) it is not made up by a majority of far right members.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Keep going, you're digging yourself a nice hole of erratic and simplistic positions.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Taking sides. Supporting the US, EU in leading Ukraine to misery.The simplistic positions others have adopted?
That's special, that is.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, I didn't get round to it and was repeatedly shocked at what you keep coming out with so kept responding. More fool me tbh. Will do it now though as I can feel the life draining out of me reading your posts. Suggest you ignore me as well, everyone will be better off.
Nice accusation of all the Ukrainian lefties as being liars now. Lovely. Here another liar obviously Too Much Ado About Ukrainian Nationalists: the Azov Movement and the War in Ukraine, by Ivan Gomza
Nice accusation of all the Ukrainian lefties as being liars now. Lovely. Here another liar obviously Too Much Ado About Ukrainian Nationalists: the Azov Movement and the War in Ukraine, by Ivan Gomza
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Ukrainian lefties? You said your Ukrainian comrades had said Azov was ok now. I don’t assume your comrades are of the left.Yeah, I didn't get round to it and was repeatedly shocked at what you keep coming out with so kept responding. More fool me tbh.
Nice accusation of all the Ukrainian lefties as being liars now. Lovely.
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hiraethified
Interesting article, thatYeah, I didn't get round to it and was repeatedly shocked at what you keep coming out with so kept responding. More fool me tbh. Will do it now though as I can feel the life draining out of me reading your posts. Suggest you ignore me as well, everyone will be better off.
Nice accusation of all the Ukrainian lefties as being liars now. Lovely. Here another liar obviously Too Much Ado About Ukrainian Nationalists: the Azov Movement and the War in Ukraine, by Ivan Gomza
This is worth a read too Statement on the War in Ukraine by Scholars of Genocide, Nazism and World War II
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hiraethified
What actual recent evidence do you have to support your opinion?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I read that article. Not written by a lefty but useful in that it details the disgusting nazi history of the Azov brigade. Can’t see how the article supports your Azov have changed narrative.Yeah, I didn't get round to it and was repeatedly shocked at what you keep coming out with so kept responding. More fool me tbh. Will do it now though as I can feel the life draining out of me reading your posts. Suggest you ignore me as well, everyone will be better off.
Nice accusation of all the Ukrainian lefties as being liars now. Lovely. Here another liar obviously Too Much Ado About Ukrainian Nationalists: the Azov Movement and the War in Ukraine, by Ivan Gomza
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I assumed the general stance on urban was violence is abhorrent and while sometimes war can be necessary to resist oppression. brutality shouldn’t be applauded and murder frowned upon.
Instead we have to do a Left/Right Purity check lest we lose any respect for saying “that’s a bit grim” about the wrong murder.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I read the latter. A statement with signatory’s. Why do you think it useful? A handy authoritative summary in your view?
What do you think they mean when they write of Ukrainians dark history?
editor
hiraethified
It would be nice if you answered my questions first before trying to divert the debate with more scattergun comments. Several times you've completely ignored valid points that have been raised , probably because you haven't got anything to excuse your really uncomfortable backing of war crimes, torture and murder,
TopCat
Putin fanboy
More winbaggery. Back on ignore is best for you.
Fez909
toilet expert
Can you move this spat to the right thread, please.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
No. It is not good to hive off difficult aspects of a subject.Can you move this spat to the right thread, please.
These issues are central to the subject.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Interesting the terms used to attack her position.
Sabina Higgins, the wife of Ireland’s president, Michael D Higgins, has triggered a political row in Ireland by urging Russia and Ukraine to call a ceasefire and enter negotiations. Critics said the intervention amounted to Kremlin propaganda because it appeared to equate Moscow’s aggression with Kyiv’s fight for survival.
Sabina Higgins, the wife of Ireland’s president, Michael D Higgins, has triggered a political row in Ireland by urging Russia and Ukraine to call a ceasefire and enter negotiations. Critics said the intervention amounted to Kremlin propaganda because it appeared to equate Moscow’s aggression with Kyiv’s fight for survival.
Fez909
toilet expert
I won't reply again as it's just adding to what I want to stop, but the subject of this thread is not whether Azov are fash.
Thing is they are not just a battalion it's part of a white supremacist movement with links to other like minded groups.
The movement publish books. Here's some of them, some Azov merch with the Ukrainian print of the Christchurch bombers manifesto.
And for balance article relates to fascism in both countries.
www.bellingcat.com
When you look at what happened in Afghanistan and how extremists filled the void it's bizarre to turn a blind eye on Ukraine AND Russian Fascism
The movement publish books. Here's some of them, some Azov merch with the Ukrainian print of the Christchurch bombers manifesto.
And for balance article relates to fascism in both countries.
The Russians and Ukrainians Translating the Christchurch Shooter’s Manifesto - bellingcat
On August 10, 2019, a 21-year-old man reportedly murdered his 17-year-old stepsister before attempted to attack a mosque just outside of Oslo, Norway; he managed to injure only one person in the attack. The Norwegian claimed he had been inspired by another 21-year-old man in El Paso, TX, whose...
www.bellingcat.com
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