Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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8ball
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Agree that they don't have to.
Crimea is in the other guy's bag of bargaining chips.
Right at the bottom.
Bahnhof Strasse
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More they don’t want to supply missiles that could be used to attack deep inside Russia.
8ball
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I was hoping my posts on previous page would maybe lead to reasons why I'm wrong, rather than just "you're a privileged Western bastard". 
I mean, yeah, fair cop and that, but at least being a wrong privileged Western bastard would ease the gloom a bit.
I mean, yeah, fair cop and that, but at least being a wrong privileged Western bastard would ease the gloom a bit.
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8ball
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Not sure how that squares with his recent comments.
(not saying he hasn't been an utter monster in the past)
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Seems to have a hard on for war criminals and dictators given his Bosnian comments
David Clapson
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That smells like a poor excuse to me. But it's all rather academic - I don't think we can see the real story through all the propaganda and lobbying until after the event
8ball
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He's probably being monstrous here too; it's just the reasons aren't obvious to me.
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I wasn't accusing you specifically of being a privileged western bastard, just those who are advocating for Ukraine to give up territory and condemn thousands of Ukrainians to occupation and oppression.I was hoping my posts on previous page would maybe lead to reasons why I'm wrong, rather than just "you're a privileged Western bastard".
I mean, yeah, fair cop and that, but at least being wrong privileged Western bastard would ease the gloom a bit.
The reason I don't think it's likely is because the Ukrainian public are overwhelmingly against giving up Ukrainian territory to Russia, and while that's the case, it's not going to happen.
8ball
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Still, fair cop. I'd hope there would be some kind of arrangement where Russia-sympathisers in Western Ukraine could get some assistance to up sticks to the newly Russian bit and swap places with Ukrainians on the wrong side of the line who wanted to stay in the (political) West.
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Dogsauce
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That was said a few days back, I guess they’re concerned about potential escalation. At the same time, Ukraine really needs something to strike back at missile launchers and airfields that are being used for strikes on cities away from the front line, currently this part of the war is very asymmetrical and causing huge damage to infrastructure.
David Clapson
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Soros speaks: "While the war rages, the fight against climate change has to take second place. Yet the experts tell us that we have already fallen far behind, and climate change is on the verge of becoming irreversible. That could be the end of our civilisation. The best and perhaps only way to preserve our civilisation is to defeat Putin as soon as possible". That's cheered me up no end. More here Ukraine invasion may be start of ‘third world war’, says George Soros So, more and better weapons for Ukraine asap please.
TopCat
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I put that at 15 years to a generation away. I think it's a sure thing no matter how it's sliced. In the meantime the Kremlin will revert back to influencing Kyiv or at least trying to. Russia will have to earnestly reevaluate its military. It could be much more successful in the future if it gets serious.
8ball
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My guess is that in 15 years time Russia will be in no position to do such a thing.
friedaweed
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah those guys are definitely definitely not gay.
Flavour
hang the bankers
Looking like severodonetsk may be fullly encircled. Nowhere near as big as Mariupol but likely to become another horrific cauldron now. This is looking pretty bad for Ukraine despite all the weapons, aid etc. Russia, as we all know, has suffered enormously so far, but it has a much bigger kitchen sink to throw at this, even if it does mean brining 60 year old tanks out of long term storage
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
I sometimes wonder if the state Russian media are trolling the West by copying the Murdoch press (especially Fox) and just ramping it up a bit. Like copying the invasion of Iraq. Basically stating ‘you’re as bad as us but at least were not taking the media war that seriously‘.
David Clapson
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Interesting piece in the FT about the battle for Sievierodonetsk Subscribe to read | Financial Times No paywall version: archive.ph
UnderOpenSky
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When your short of pilots...
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What are the weak points in the Russian military forces?
Misha Firer's answer: Major General Kalamat Botashev from Karachaevo-Cherkessk had a dream. He had always wanted to pilot a fighter jet. In Dececember 2011, without authorisation, he sat behind the wheel of a new, decked out SU-34 that had just been shipped in from the factory. Pilots had been p...
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When your short of pilots...
What are the weak points in the Russian military forces?
Misha Firer's answer: Major General Kalamat Botashev from Karachaevo-Cherkessk had a dream. He had always wanted to pilot a fighter jet. In Dececember 2011, without authorisation, he sat behind the wheel of a new, decked out SU-34 that had just been shipped in from the factory. Pilots had been p...
More than a whiff of bullshit there.
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back on the other side
the last para is interesting
“Imagine that Russian forces finally take Sievierodonetsk, then what?” said Pavel Luzin, a Russian-based military analyst. “Strategically, it changes little . . . [and] most of the Russian army’s artillery range is less than 25km. So [Russian president Vladimir] Putin can’t destroy all of Ukraine’s cities, everywhere.”
the limitations are cheering but at the very least its enough to get and secure the land corridor to Crimea though
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