Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[MickiQ]

Sometimes you get the impression that they are actually deliberately trolling him

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sometimes you get the impression that they are actually deliberately trolling him

Having officially listed the Moskva as a new diving site in the Black Sea, I think they are.

 

[andysays]

Two thirds apparently. And wasn't it the Waves we ruled?

It's not just about the waves you rule, so much as the rules you waive...

 

[steveo87]

Having officially listed the Moskva as a new diving site in the Black Sea, I think they are.

You're kidding?! That's hilarious!!

 

[frogwoman]

Interview with Andreas Umland on Ukraine's far right. Ignore the title (not at all sure why it's been titled that, if anything he's saying the opposite). It's a very detailed look at the various groups involved, back in the Maidan and today.

The Far-Fetched Far Right Non-Story with Andreas Umland. Episode: The Far-Fetched Far Right Non-Story with Andreas Umland Podcast Republic . Media: https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767...3ab1/4665af67-81a6-4cd3-b581-977340708247.mp3 . -- Sent from Podcast Republic.

 

[cupid_stunt]

You're kidding?! That's hilarious!!

Actually not 'officially listed' but their defence secretary tweeted he was looking forward to diving it.

Ukraine SecDef Trolls Putin: I’m Gonna SCUBA to Moskva Wreck

Defense minister said the Kremlin’s flagship, now at the bottom of the Black Sea, would make a great dive site after Ukraine wins the war.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[gosub]

This quiet electric motorcycle is helping Ukrainian snipers fight back against the Russians

Electric bikes and motorcycles have been seeing increased military use for several years. So it should come as no surprise that Ukrainian forces have found them to be an effective tactical vehicle to fight back against Russian aggression. It’s been more than two months now since Russian soldiers...

electrek.co

 

[David Clapson]

While we're condemning Russians for war crimes, let's not forget that we British deliberately killed German civilians in WW2 Germany's forgotten victims.

 

[gosub]

While we're condemning Russians for war crimes, let's not forget that we British deliberately killed German civilians in WW2 Germany's forgotten victims.

 

[Raheem]

While we're condemning Russians for war crimes, let's not forget that we British deliberately killed German civilians in WW2 Germany's forgotten victims.

Don't get me started on the Harrying of the North.

 

[dilute micro]

John Spencer now saying he reckons the Russians are actually starting to lose this war. Seen a few other military types cautiously advancing this possibility.

Has Russia been beaten? This military expert says that moment is coming soon

Russia had a decent plan, says warfare expert John Spencer. But military incompetence has led to total failure

www.salon.com

This is a dumpster fire of a military. This is basic defense critical levels of bad.

 

[existentialist]

You spoke my branes!

 

[existentialist]

This is a dumpster fire of a military. This is basic defense critical levels of bad.

John Spencer speaks a lot of sense. His Urban Defence mini-manual is an interesting read...

 

[Dystopiary]

Situation is still horrific for many people.

 

[kebabking]

Don't get me started on the Harrying of the North.

For God and Lindisfarne! Death to Denmark!

 

[existentialist]

Not all NATO, the UA have plenty of tricks up their sleeve. IIRC it was one of their missiles that sank the Moskva and if this thread is anything to go by then they have other very effective home grown weapons systems, (there are people in the comments that say it isn't, would be interested in kk's view if he has the time, it's long. Main point of contention seems to be his comparison between US etc. firing in anti insurgent ops hence less appetite for collateral damage leading to longer fire times.).

Summary, UA have developed uber for artillery and instead of a battery of guns firing from one field they can vector in lots of different artillery pieces from various fields to targets.

That thread is well worth a read - it looks as if the original UA fire control system was just TOO damn good, and ended up putting all the shells on pretty much exactly the same spot, which probably isn't ideally what you want (plus, is there an issue with fratricide if multiple shells explode together in a very small area? kebabking?)

 

[Raheem]

For God and Lindisfarne! Death to Denmark!

I've never really been able to get into Lindisfarne. Or God, for that matter.

 

[existentialist]

Sometimes you get the impression that they are actually deliberately trolling him

They've been trolling Russia since the beginning. Remember Zelenskiy and the "mic drop move"?

 

[JimW]

I've never really been able to get into Lindisfarne. Or God, for that matter.

Occasionally fancy a Danish?

 

[cupid_stunt]

They've been trolling Russia since the beginning. Remember Zelenskiy and the "mic drop move"?

And, with the 'Russian warship, go fuck yourself' stamps being issued.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Still trying to cross that river...

 

[existentialist]

Still trying to cross that river...

OK, so what's the 4-D chess interpretation of what's going on here?

 

[spitfire]

OK, so what's the 4-D chess interpretation of what's going on here?

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

(I remain a master strategist )

 

[Artaxerxes]

OK, so what's the 4-D chess interpretation of what's going on here?

Ukrainian forces have preset kill limits

 

[weltweit]

If at first you don't succeed ..

You have probably been placed in this situation as an example to others of what not to do!

 

[JimW]

Desperate to show Heraclitus was an old gobshite.

 

[kebabking]

That thread is well worth a read - it looks as if the original UA fire control system was just TOO damn good, and ended up putting all the shells on pretty much exactly the same spot, which probably isn't ideally what you want (plus, is there an issue with fratricide if multiple shells explode together in a very small area? kebabking?)

It can be an issue, but it tends to manifest when you're fusing for airburst rather than contact or delay. If you're not using guided munitions then your gunlaying has got to be pretty spectacular to keep hitting the same spot with different guns, and even with the same gun little differences like barrel temperature, the limbers digging in with each firing, shell temperature, wind, and turbulence from the last shell will cause small differences in the ballistics that will move the impact point about a bit.

With the 155's we get a CEP of about 10m for each gun at 15 miles, if we're doing a battery mission (6 guns) at a point target - an 8 figure grid ref gives a 10x10m square - we'll get about 50% of the rounds landing in that square, with another 40% landing (landscape permitting) within 5 to 10m of the border of that square, though they tend to fall within an oval shape, with the longer axis being distance from the gun.

We can be more accurate with a 10 figure grid - it's a square 1x1m point target - and we'll get a shell landing in that square with four or five shots, with 2 or 3 of them landing within 10 metres of it - and a 155 will fuck shit up. A direct hit will kill any tank ever built, at 10 metres it'll turn people into pink mist.

 

[existentialist]

It can be an issue, but it tends to manifest when you're fusing for airburst rather than contact or delay. If you're not using guided munitions then your gunlaying has got to be pretty spectacular to keep hitting the same spot with different guns, and even with the same gun little differences like barrel temperature, the limbers digging in with each firing, shell temperature, wind, and turbulence from the last shell will cause small differences in the ballistics that will move the impact point about a bit.

With the 155's we get a CEP of about 10m for each gun at 15 miles, if we're doing a battery mission (6 guns) at a point target - an 8 figure grid ref gives a 10x10m square - we'll get about 50% of the rounds landing in that square, with another 40% landing (landscape permitting) within 5 to 10m of the border of that square, though they tend to fall within an oval shape, with the longer axis being distance from the gun.

We can be more accurate with a 10 figure grid - it's a square 1x1m point target - and we'll get a shell landing in that square with four or five shots, with 2 or 3 of them landing within 10 metres of it - and a 155 will fuck shit up. A direct hit will kill any tank ever built, at 10 metres it'll turn people into pink mist.

I must say that I am seriously impressed with the fact that it is possible to fire a huge lump of (mostly) steel out of an enormous tube, and achieve that kind of repeatability and accuracy...

 

[kebabking]

I must say that I am seriously impressed with the fact that it is possible to fire a huge lump of (mostly) steel out of an enormous tube, and achieve that kind of repeatability and accuracy...

Gunnerz mate, God's gift...

 

[ska invita]

I must say that I am seriously impressed with the fact that it is possible to fire a huge lump of (mostly) steel out of an enormous tube, and achieve that kind of repeatability and accuracy...

Yeah amazing, never miss, no random civilians ever die