Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
I followed them for a while - until they blocked me for pointing the following out to their followers:
They are part of a disinformation campaign (likely russian, but who knows) Before the war they were constantly posting central European culture war shit, right wing propaganda, pro Orbán/PiS stuff, anti abortion, anti refugee, etc etc.
No one knows who they are, who their editors are, where they are based, and the tag line in their bio is stolen from @notesfrompoland Twitter account (which really is an independent organisation).
I wouldn't trust them at all.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Visegrad24 is a cover for far-right populists associated with Hungary, Poland, the recently deposed Slovenian government of Orban fanboy Janez Janša, and the Slovaks (who got rid of their far right populists a while back IIRC).
Pro-Trump, populist, ferociously anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, "pro-family", "Pro-life".
They come with a very big health warning. A toxic skitter of far-right populist diahorrea.
Pro-Trump, populist, ferociously anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, "pro-family", "Pro-life".
They come with a very big health warning. A toxic skitter of far-right populist diahorrea.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Russia pull out of ISS. Or forced out due to sanctions.
Russia Says It Decided to Quit International Space Station Amid Economic Sanctions
Russia’s space agency Roscosmos intends to withdraw from the International Space Station (ISS) amid Western sanctions designed to cripple Moscow’s economy, the head of the space program confirmed. Dmitry Rogozin, the chief of Roscosmos, said in an April 30 interview with Rossiya-24 TV channel...www.ntd.com
This would appear to be bollocks, and posturing as the Roscosmos gaulietier positions himself as "working towards the Führer"
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Wow, I didn’t know Hitler was Jewish. Every day’s a school day with the Russian Foreign Ministry…
Israel outrage at Sergei Lavrov's claim that Hitler was part Jewish
The Russian foreign minister's claim that Hitler "had Jewish blood" is denounced as unforgiveable.www.bbc.co.uk
Consequently…
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
We need a schadenfreude emoticon.... In the meantime,
ETA: I rather like the way Israel is saying "we could supply other things, potentially...", while gently throwing a small hat into the ring. They almost couldn't not.
Couple of interesting new things that I saw today.
The Ukrainians claim that the Hungarians agreed to take some Ukrainian territory, in the event that the country was conquered by Russia. Slightly odd one this - it makes lots of sense with what one knows about Orban and Fidesz who are Greater Hungary irredentists anyway. But then, surely it would result in Hungary being kicked out of the EU more or less overnight....?
Then the other thing was the Russian foreign ministry responding to criticism from the Israelis by arguing that much anti-semitism comes from Jews anyway so it makes perfect sense that Zelensky is both a Jew and a Nazi. It feels a little desperate really as well as something so bonkers that it might have come from the top - do we know if Putin is an antisemite?
It's worthwhile trying to track down a translation of how the Russians try and argue their case on the "jews are nazis really" angle. I found one earlier but couldn't seem to rediscover it more recently. It reads like an "edgy" undergrad dissertation and it largely relies on well known stuff about Jewish "collaboration" with the Nazis - Arendt covered it in detail in Eichmann in Jerusalem.
The Ukrainians claim that the Hungarians agreed to take some Ukrainian territory, in the event that the country was conquered by Russia. Slightly odd one this - it makes lots of sense with what one knows about Orban and Fidesz who are Greater Hungary irredentists anyway. But then, surely it would result in Hungary being kicked out of the EU more or less overnight....?
Then the other thing was the Russian foreign ministry responding to criticism from the Israelis by arguing that much anti-semitism comes from Jews anyway so it makes perfect sense that Zelensky is both a Jew and a Nazi. It feels a little desperate really as well as something so bonkers that it might have come from the top - do we know if Putin is an antisemite?
It's worthwhile trying to track down a translation of how the Russians try and argue their case on the "jews are nazis really" angle. I found one earlier but couldn't seem to rediscover it more recently. It reads like an "edgy" undergrad dissertation and it largely relies on well known stuff about Jewish "collaboration" with the Nazis - Arendt covered it in detail in Eichmann in Jerusalem.
not-bono-ever
meh
There’s a serious amount of Russians and Russian money in Israel ( not all rich obvs) but this is a significant reaction from israel if true
Cid
Proper break this time
They've accused Israel of siding with neo-nazis too now <e2a: as I see diamond mentioned> (which I suppose logically follows, given definition of Ukraine govt, but still)... Haaretz:
Also this from Haaretz which provides a bit more context on how the various interests involved are playing out... Russia moving more toward Iran etc. Have only had a chance to skim read so far, but seems worth a look:
Also this from Haaretz which provides a bit more context on how the various interests involved are playing out... Russia moving more toward Iran etc. Have only had a chance to skim read so far, but seems worth a look:
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
On Sunday, the Freedom of Russia Legion (anti-Putin Russians) claimed to have arrived in Donbass! 
"We thank the armed forces of [@ Ukraine] for putting trust in us and we promise to uphold it as we go into battle"
Don't know much about them except they want to overthrow the Putin regime and are fighting with the Ukrainian military, and they use the white-blue-white flag.
"We thank the armed forces of [@ Ukraine] for putting trust in us and we promise to uphold it as we go into battle"
Don't know much about them except they want to overthrow the Putin regime and are fighting with the Ukrainian military, and they use the white-blue-white flag.
Lurdan
old wave
The Russian Foreign Ministry's English translation of their statement lecturing the Israeli government about antisemitism in Ukraine is here on telegra.ph, telegrams rather minimal blogging platform. (The MFA still have a twitter account which was used to link to it).
Regarding antisemitism
It's quite something.
Regarding antisemitism
It's quite something.
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
Coup stories are having a bit of a surge. This one is quite cheery Kremlin on high alert as coup rumours grow in Moscow: Disgruntled generals join FSB looking to oust Putin and end Ukraine war
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
"When approached by City A.M., no one at the Kremlin was available to comment."
Well, quite.
City AM didn't seem to have anyone on hand apart from Google Translate, either. And the article gives a fair impression of being random snips from something more coherent. Is it one of those papers largely produced by AI?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I was thinking last night, it's been about four weeks since the Russian withdrawal from the north, about two weeks since those troops and resources arrived in the east/south, and their latest offensive began, yet they have hardly taken any more territory, and in parts the Ukrainians are actually pushing them back.
It just seems to have stalled again for the Russians, meanwhile more weapons are arriving from the west, including many more serious and heavy weapons, so once again it seems to have gone from Ukrainians are going to struggle, to it's looking like the Russians are in trouble again.
Woke up this morning, to see this from the Institute for the Study of War -
It just seems to have stalled again for the Russians, meanwhile more weapons are arriving from the west, including many more serious and heavy weapons, so once again it seems to have gone from Ukrainians are going to struggle, to it's looking like the Russians are in trouble again.
Woke up this morning, to see this from the Institute for the Study of War -
ska invita
back on the other side
this is the latest map, also from that IoW
I dont know how much of an advance that is but they seem to have got the east and coastline landbridge which people were expecting would be the goal. Next question is will they move on to Odessa and capture the whole coastline. They are edging that way and there have been missiles fired at Odessa the last couple of days.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
But, it's been basically like that for weeks now, and missiles fired at Odessa are not new, that's been happening since March.
It's a freebie paper distributed at stations etc in London so...
strung out
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They're not really edging that way - Ukraine have been making (very small) advances back towards Kherson recently.this is the latest map, also from that IoW
I dont know how much of an advance that is but they seem to have got the east and coastline landbridge which people were expecting would be the goal. Next question is will they move on to Odessa and capture the whole coastline. They are edging that way and there have been missiles fired at Odessa the last couple of days.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
ska invita
back on the other side
It is possible this is near enough Mission Accomplished by the Russian Army. Maybe claim a bit more up to the Donbas border.... Maybe move on further west along the coast...
But basically they've made significant gains that match preinvasion predictions.
It may also be the reassigning of forces is as much about holding the territory...
Etc
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I think the longer it goes on the relative military strength will increasingly favour Ukraine. Russia's "big push" in the east has made only incremental progress and likely cost them dearly in men and equipment (and general's). Ukraine can make up its losses much easier and is getting increasing amounts of hi quality kit from the west - including more heavy weapons. Russian forces may soon get to the point where they are no longer capable of carrying out effective offensive operations. Ukraine's counter attacks could increase in number and size to the point where Russia may have to withdraw from large areas of the country.
I think/hope that the issue now is the scale of Russia's defeat - ranging from a stalemate where they can no longer attack but Ukraine isn't strong enough to push them back any further - leading to a ceasefire and "frozen conflict" - to a comprehensive collapse (the latter could be very dangerous as Putin might consider going for nukes if Ukraine starts pushing into Crimea).
teuchter
je suis teuchter
For people living in those currently russian-controlled border regions, there can't be many attractive ways out of this - either they end up part of russia, contested or otherwise, or, if they are reclaimed by Ukraine then presumably that means seeing the fighting front retreat back across those territories, causing destruction in the process.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Could be protracted, but if Russia military continues to degrade at the present rate, it might be over in months.
Nobody predicted Russia would fail to this extent and they may not be able to keep their up this level of warfare.
Read several predictions that putin will order a full mobilisation on the May victory day thing.
Anyone any idea what this might mean in practice?
Not least on the Russian people's support for the war.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Pope Francis is now Russian State affiliated
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
They need to make sure they don't bomb Salisbury on the day there are any Russian ecclesiastical architecture fans visiting.
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