Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[not-bono-ever]

AJ are not a bad outlet ( from a news perspective anyway).Stuff like the Nagorno conflict was covered more widely on AJ, whilst barely getting a mention in the UK after the initial headlines

 

[Pickman's model]

Google translate of the Azov tweet:

Perhaps people posting up tweets might include an English version anyway, and maybe things which are repetitive need not be contributed in the first place

 

[zahir]

Which is why I didn't post up the translation in the first place.

 

[Sue]

Perhaps people posting up tweets might include an English version anyway, and maybe things which are repetitive need not be contributed in the first place

I'm just pretty disappointed at the lack of Russian skills round these parts tbh.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

I'm just pretty disappointed at the lack of Russian skills round these parts tbh.

that's what they want you to think

 

[Artaxerxes]

I'm just pretty disappointed at the lack of Russian skills round these parts tbh.

Putin's cheques kept bouncing and he wouldn't tell us what he thought of baked spuds so this place has never gone full Kremlin sycophant.

 

[Yossarian]

Do I win a pedant's prize for pointing out that the tweet is in Ukrainian, not Russian?

Google translate gives the translation from Ukrainian to English as the text earlier posted in this thread, when told the original is in Russian it gives the translation:

Close to that, the Russian occupation of the military victorious against the Ukrainian military and civil forces in the city of Mariupol is making a speech of a homeless march, like it was thrown from a fortune-telling UAV.

The victims are afraid of dychal insufficiency.

 

[Dogsauce]

It’s a total destruction policy isn’t it? Completely wreck a country’s cities and infrastructure, murder the population, destroy the means of production, mine farmer’s fields, muse on outlawing the language and culture. They’re trying to leave nothing left. It’s a war of punishment for not bending to their will, not a land grab. There will be nothing left to give away to the oligarchs.

 

[zahir]

A report that doesn't actually add very much.

Azov says Russia used chemical weapons in besieged Mariupol

Ukraine's Azov regiment said on April 11 that Russia had used a poisonous substance against Ukrainian troops in Mariupol, a besieged port on the Sea of Azov. Azov leader Andriy Biletsky said that three people have clear signs of chemical poisoning. He added that there are no "disastrous...

kyivindependent.com

Azov leader Andriy Biletsky said that three people have clear signs of chemical poisoning. He added that there are no “disastrous consequences” for their health.

 

[not-bono-ever]

the rape stuff is killing me. cant read any more on it

 

[A380]

It’s a total destruction policy isn’t it? Completely wreck a country’s cities and infrastructure, murder the population, destroy the means of production, mine farmer’s fields, muse on outlawing the language and culture. They’re trying to leave nothing left. It’s a war of punishment for not bending to their will, not a land grab. There will be nothing left to give away to the oligarchs.

The EU, States and probably us will pour billions into rebuilding- albeit loads of that money will go to EU, American and UK contractors… in a time of economic stagnation it will be no bad thing, even if lots of EU,US and UK political parties and people ‘close to ‘ politicians get their snouts in the trough.

 

[Cid]

Perhaps people posting up tweets might include an English version anyway, and maybe things which are repetitive need not be contributed in the first place

To quote Zosia Brom's Freedom rant from way back at the start of this:

"You not gonna use Google translate, because how come things are not in English, the terror!"

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm just pretty disappointed at the lack of Russian skills round these parts tbh.

You're presumably aware that Ukrainian is a separate language?

 

[Sue]

You're presumably aware that Ukrainian is a separate language?

Sure.

 

[A380]

You're presumably aware that Ukrainian is a separate language?

No, it’s just a dialect of Russian. That nice Mr Putin said so…

 

[maomao]

'A language is a dialect with an army and a navy' point currently being proven.

 

[SpookyFrank]

'A language is a dialect with an army and a navy' point currently being proven.

And, in the case of Ukrainian, a different alphabet.

 

[Pickman's model]

To quote Zosia Brom's Freedom rant from way back at the start of this:

"You not gonna use Google translate, because how come things are not in English, the terror!"

It's surely just small extension of the courtesy we expect in describing links and videos to post up a translation of a tweet in a foreign language be that Amharic, Ukrainian or yakut

 

[maomao]

I think you should be saying this to Aladdin. It's surely just small extension of the courtesy we expect in describing links and videos to post up a translation of a tweet in a foreign language be that Amharic, Ukrainian or yakut

People using Google translate automatically in their browsers and quoting feeds that use more than one language may not always realise they've posted in a foreign language.

 

[Supine]

And, in the case of Ukrainian, a different alphabet.

Different alphabet. Different words. It’s almost like Ukraine is a different place to russia.

 

[Petcha]

Home now. So tired. Spent most of my time helping people fill out forms. One thing. How long would it take to produce the fucking forms in Ukranian? Some of the (many, many) questions were hard enough for me to understand. There are so many people there just totally lost as to how to get to the UK. Seriously - how long would it take to translate the forms. It's fairly obvious they're being as obstructive as possible.

 

[two sheds]

Home now. So tired. Spent most of my time helping people fill out forms. One thing. How long would it take to produce the fucking forms in Ukranian? Some of the (many, many) questions were hard enough for me to understand. There are so many people there just totally lost as to how to get to the UK. Seriously - how long would it take to translate the forms. It's fairly obvious they're being as obstructive as possible.

Appreciate the updates. How did you get to go across Petcha?

 

[Petcha]

Appreciate the updates. How did you get to go across Petcha?

I was working doing the AV at a conference a month or so ago and these two American guys who run an organisation in Rio to educate kids gave a presentation about their work in the favelas, apparently my firm help fund it. They were in London en route to Krakow to set up something there to help and I got talking to them afterwards and asked if i could help. I'll go back once i sort my work situation out here which has gone a little tits up.. if anyone else wants to come lemme know.

 

[existentialist]

Different alphabet. Different words. It’s almost like Ukraine is a different place to russia.

Different, but frustratingly similar. I was slightly aggrieved to learn that the sound "g" in Russian is represented by the glyph"г", which represents "h" in Ukrainian, "g" in Ukrainian being represented by "Ґ" (note the tiny, almost-invisible, uptick at the end of the horizontal stroke). It gets worse - in Russian, the "e" letter is pronounced "ye", and if you want just "e", you use the glyph "э"; in Ukrainian, it's broadly the opposite.

And that's before it gets really confusing , with various identical letters having very different significance in Ukrainian vs Russia. I decided to refresh my Russian a bit, having learned it 40 years ago, then thought it'd be cool to add in some Ukrainian. Big mistake . I think I'm going to go back to the Russian.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Home now. So tired. Spent most of my time helping people fill out forms. One thing. How long would it take to produce the fucking forms in Ukranian? Some of the (many, many) questions were hard enough for me to understand. There are so many people there just totally lost as to how to get to the UK. Seriously - how long would it take to translate the forms. It's fairly obvious they're being as obstructive as possible.

There are people arriving here and nobody official has any useful information for them. Mrs Frank spent yesterday cobbling together a list of basic information, places to contact etc for people coming to Devon and Cornwall

 

[frogwoman]

Its similar enough to be confusing but different enough not to understand lol

 

[frogwoman]

Different, but frustratingly similar. I was slightly aggrieved to learn that the sound "g" in Russian is represented by the glyph"г", which represents "h" in Ukrainian, "g" in Ukrainian being represented by "Ґ" (note the tiny, almost-invisible, uptick at the end of the horizontal stroke). It gets worse - in Russian, the "e" letter is pronounced "ye", and if you want just "e", you use the glyph "э"; in Ukrainian, it's broadly the opposite.

And that's before it gets really confusing , with various identical letters having very different significance in Ukrainian vs Russia. I decided to refresh my Russian a bit, having learned it 40 years ago, then thought it'd be cool to add in some Ukrainian. Big mistake . I think I'm going to go back to the Russian.

Ukrainian H is like the H in English, the H in Russian is pronounced 'kh'. And some words that are pronounced 'g' in Russian are said with 'h' in Ukrainian

 

[frogwoman]

People using Google translate automatically in their browsers and quoting feeds that use more than one language may not always realise they've posted in a foreign language.

This, Google and Facebook translate stuff in Ukrainian automatically for me.

 

[NoXion]

Its similar enough to be confusing but different enough not to understand lol

I imagine that for native Ukrainian and Russian speakers, the differences are more obvious. I for example did not know that they used a different alphabet.

 

[frogwoman]

Even more confusing, in some circumstances the Russian г (g) is pronounced V