existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I found this very touching. Someone who returned to Kyiv, and made a video about it.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
it was posted several weeks back that parents were writing their kids’ blood groups on their bodies in case of injury. Grim.
Larry O'Hara
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you should: but not just you, of course you bully-trolls hunt in packs don't you?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Like I said, save the personal barbs for elsewhere. Every time you insist on perpetuating some long-cherished beef, you out yourself for what you really are.
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hiraethified
This stops now. Any more personal stuff earns a warning followed by a thread ban/temp ban.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I suspect many of the pro-Russia protestors aren't Russian and more subscribers to Galloway's newsletters.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
These are interesting on this subject. The book’s a standard text and Ben Griffin‘s presentation gives a first person perspective (he’s ex-paras/Sas).
On Killing - Wikipedia
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Looks like they might have forgotten why they left in that video mate. They must have access to what's going on in their current country of residence.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Tbh I know absolutely nothing about Russian emigre communities .
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Me neither tbf.
ska invita
back on the other side
brilliant talk - i think Veterans For Peace are one of the most important groups in the UK - I wish their profile was higher - real heroes
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
He’s a real hero for sure. Obviously agree.
Raheem
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In most of the country, I don't think "Russian communities" really exist. Just people dotted here and there.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
amazing video
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
in the UK you mean?
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
The thought crossed my mind that they might have consumed too much local hooch. I mean, farming seems to be big, there's a big a grain agriculture economy, maybe lots of people make their own and the Russian found it and drank it? They've been looting pretty much everything not screwed down, so nicking and necking booze they found seems plausible, and if they've been drinking spirits, possibly including home-made hooch of unknown strength, they could've given themselves alcohol poisoning.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
I actually completed the pre-selection course for A Squadron 21 SAS in 1995 (the Bravo Two Zero recruitment surge). They do encourage aggression and violence obviously.
Yossarian
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Yep - the invasion has split far-right groups in Germany but there's plenty on Putin's side.
The most explicitly pro-Putin German far-right group is the Freie Sachsen ("Free Saxons"), formed only a year ago, which describes itself as an umbrella group that allows membership in other organizations. The Freie Sachsen group overlaps with conspiracy theorists of the Querdenker movement, which oppose the government's COVID-19 containment measures. This group now identifies NATO as part of a globalist conspiracy that helped instigate the war.
Germany's far-right split by Russia-Ukraine war – DW – 03/28/2022
The Russian invasion of Ukraine has left Germany's neo-Nazis confused: Should they support the authoritarian Russian leader or far-right nationalists fighting on the Ukrainian side?
www.dw.com
Raheem
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Where else?
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
The video in question was shot in Rhineland.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It looks like it's going to get very messy in the east, I just hope the Ukrainians have the troops & weapons they need to push back against the invaders.
www.theguardian.com
Ukraine urges civilians in east to flee ‘while opportunity still exists’
As threat builds of renewed Russian assault, deputy prime minister says authorities can not help residents who delay
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
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You being Wolfie No-Mates, however, are reduced to being a lone-prowler.
Flavour
hang the bankers
Re: pro-Russian protests in various countries, Germany in particular has a massive ethnic Russian population, including 3.5 million Russian speakers, many of whom emigrated to Germany following the collapse of the Soviet Union and another 2 million or so German-speaking ethnic Russians, many of whom are descended from population transfers post WW2. What they have in common which I suspect is one of the major foreign agents promoting Putin, is the Orthodox Church. Same goes for Greece, also Orthodox, and the protests in Athens.
This is also partly the reason why there is such a historic bond between Russia and Serbia (Orthodoxy), a representative of perceived cultural interests surrounded by the hostile Westerners of Catholic Slovenia and Croatia and Muslim Bosnia and Kosovo
This is also partly the reason why there is such a historic bond between Russia and Serbia (Orthodoxy), a representative of perceived cultural interests surrounded by the hostile Westerners of Catholic Slovenia and Croatia and Muslim Bosnia and Kosovo
Indeliblelink
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German intelligence intercepted Russian military radio messages talking about civilian killings in Bucha. Evidence of Russian mercenary troops such as the "Wagner Group" involvement.
www.spiegel.de
partial translation from the paywalled Spiegel article
(S+) Russische Soldaten besprachen Gräueltaten gegen Zivilisten über Funk
Die Bilder von ermordeten Zivilisten aus Butscha schockieren die Welt. Nach SPIEGEL-Informationen hat der BND Funkverkehr mutmaßlicher Täter mitgeschnitten. Demnach gehören die brutalen Taten zur Strategie von Putins Armee.
partial translation from the paywalled Spiegel article
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
As Ukraine war enters new phase, can western arms turn the tide?
Article speculating about what weapons NATO may send now that the war is going to be focused on the eastern region - theres a good chance that Ukraine can hold its own against further Russian assaults - but will NATO provide the sort of kit that will allow Ukraine to go on the offensive to try and push the Russian's back (and maybe carry on into Crimea?). The emerging reports of atrocities add another factor - ceasefire to stop the slaughter ? or save the people at risk of massacre and deportation in the occupied areas? And the fear of "provoking putin" is in the mix as well - but provoking him to do what? short of launching nukes - what can he realistically do? NATO forces would easily come out on top in any escalation - i.e strikes on supply routes into urkaine from poland - and would give a green light for nato to send in stuff like high end tanks, missile systems and aircraft.
Lots of tricky stategic shit to deal with ranging between a push Ukarine into ceasefire that ends up partitioning the country - or call putin's bluff.
Article speculating about what weapons NATO may send now that the war is going to be focused on the eastern region - theres a good chance that Ukraine can hold its own against further Russian assaults - but will NATO provide the sort of kit that will allow Ukraine to go on the offensive to try and push the Russian's back (and maybe carry on into Crimea?). The emerging reports of atrocities add another factor - ceasefire to stop the slaughter ? or save the people at risk of massacre and deportation in the occupied areas? And the fear of "provoking putin" is in the mix as well - but provoking him to do what? short of launching nukes - what can he realistically do? NATO forces would easily come out on top in any escalation - i.e strikes on supply routes into urkaine from poland - and would give a green light for nato to send in stuff like high end tanks, missile systems and aircraft.
Lots of tricky stategic shit to deal with ranging between a push Ukarine into ceasefire that ends up partitioning the country - or call putin's bluff.
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Indeliblelink
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There's also a video going around of Ukrainian soldiers executing captured Russians.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's disgusting that stuff like this is happening, but I'm not massively surprised. And it does go to show that the "othering" of Russians who commit atrocities is faulty - there will always be a risk that any forces, especially forces fighting for their homeland who may have become aware of what the enemy has been doing to their fellow citizens, cities and towns will be out for revenge. What will be telling is whether these soldiers are held to account by their superiors, and measures put in place to reduce the likelihood of it happening again. It is abundantly clear that Russian soldiers have been committing atrocities as part of their SOP; the Ukrainian military command will need to ensure, both within their forces, and for the public view, to ensure that the same perception does not arise with regard to them. Revenge is understandable, but not acceptable.
The bottom line here is that war is shit, and nasty, and the moral boundary between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour is different to what we, as civilians who will hopefully never have to kill to survive, might consider reasonable. But any military which wants to be considered "civilised" is going to have to work hard to ensure that moral boundary isn't crossed, and that there will be consequences if it is.
The bottom line here is that war is shit, and nasty, and the moral boundary between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour is different to what we, as civilians who will hopefully never have to kill to survive, might consider reasonable. But any military which wants to be considered "civilised" is going to have to work hard to ensure that moral boundary isn't crossed, and that there will be consequences if it is.
The split in Orthodoxy may also be relevant here. The Ukrainian government is now making moves to ban the Russian Orthodox Church:
Ukraine might Ban the Russian Orthodox Church and Take All of its Property and Money - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency
A bill banning the Russian Orthodox Church has been submitted to Ukraine's parliament, the country's media reported. The bill is not yet on the voting schedule but is likely to be voted on by a large majority.
www.novinite.com
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Worked for Henry VIIIThe split in Orthodoxy may also be relevant here. The Ukrainian government is now making moves to ban the Russian Orthodox Church:
Ukraine might Ban the Russian Orthodox Church and Take All of its Property and Money - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency
A bill banning the Russian Orthodox Church has been submitted to Ukraine's parliament, the country's media reported. The bill is not yet on the voting schedule but is likely to be voted on by a large majority.www.novinite.com
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
According to some reports I've read this might have been done by Georgian foreign fighters who formed a volunteer battalion, the 'Georgian Legion' after 2014 to fight in Ukraine. For all the banging on about Azov etc there has been surprisingly little discussion of them! This might be bollocks of course but would be totally unsurprising if true, foreign fighters were responsible for an escalation of brutality on both sides of the syrian conflict as well.
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