Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Raheem]

Russian military sources are saying that Ukraine is planning a "provocation" in a town called Oleksandrivka. This is roughly in the area north of Kherson were the Ukrainian military is making gains.

It doesn't take a genius to work out what the reality is likely to be. At the same time, it suggests that generals have knowledge of what has gone on and where.

Источник: Украина готовит провокации с гибелью жителей Херсонской области

Украинская диверсионная группа находится в районе поселка Александровка Херсонской области и готовит провокации с гибелью мирных жителей, чтобы обвинить в этом... РИА Новости, 06.04.2022

ria.ru

 

[SpookyFrank]

There’s a self-fulfilling prophecy at work. We have to get the Nazis. The people resisted. Conclusion, the Nazi problem was worse than we thought. Kill them all.

Exactly what we did in Afghanistan.

Difference is if you took part in that shitshow you can still come on here and pontificate about other people's war crimes while posing as some kind of neutral authority.

 

[SpookyFrank]

There are quite a few people voluntarily switching from speaking Russian to Ukrainian now TBF.

Apparently most people in Ukraine learn both languages in parallel from infancy.

 

[likesfish]

Kenya: How British Soldiers Flout the Rules of Engagement in the Country

Kenya the UXO compo same training grounds were used by Kenyan and US forces.
The mass rape allegation came from the same law firm as the Battle of Danny boy enquiry you know where millions were wasted on total. Lies. It went about as well as you could imagine if you go looking for cases saying there's free money from the British in a very poor country. .
There may have been cases to answer but finding evidence

 

[Artaxerxes]

There are quite a few people voluntarily switching from speaking Russian to Ukrainian now TBF.

Putin says Ukraine isn't a nation, well he's doing a great job of making it one.

They are absolutely fucking pissed.

 

[tim]

Kenya the UXO compo same training grounds were used by Kenyan and US forces.
The mass rape allegation came from the same law firm as the Battle of Danny boy enquiry you know where millions were wasted on total. Lies. It went about as well as you could imagine if you go looking for cases saying there's free money from the British in a very poor country. .
There may have been cases to answer but finding evidence

I wasn't suggesting for a moment that American or Kenyan forces were not as capable of raping and murdering as British or Russian forces. As to "poor countries" well being poor and marginalised in a poor country makes it much easier for those with power and the support of a bureaucracy to commit crimes.

Agnes Wanjiru was a young Kenyan woman murdered by a British soldier who then dumped her body in a septic tank. He confessed to the crime but never faced trial as his military superiors decided to cover up the crime. There are no suggestions that I've heard blaming sleazy lawyers for inventing this crime

Kenya REOPENS murder case after claims UK soldier 'confessed'

Mother-of-one Agnes Wanjiru, 21, was found in a septic tank behind the Lions Court Hotel in Nanyuki, close to the British Army training camp, two months after she disappeared in 2012.

www.google.com

 

[Pickman's model]

A large part of the population are Russian speakers. It's the majority language in Kiev. They're not some kind of oppressed minority.

Yeh Ukraine is a genuinely bilingual country.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are quite a few people voluntarily switching from speaking Russian to Ukrainian now TBF.

Yeh the bilingualism, the use of the Russian language, being destroyed by Russia and only Russia

 

[Mr Moose]

Exactly what we did in Afghanistan.

Difference is if you took part in that shitshow you can still come on here and pontificate about other people's war crimes while posing as some kind of neutral authority.

You can oppose more than one imperial aggressor.

On the basis that an injury to one is an injury to all, sure we can ‘pontificate’ about the Russian Army’s crimes. You can rightly get upset about the Ukrainian army breaching the Geneva convention too, but that won’t mean they kicked the whole thing off.

Still, my eyebrows lifted straight up when Gordon Brown was on the TV demanding war crimes investigations or Condeleeza Rice talked about invading a sovereign country as being the absolute opposite of international law. So point taken.

 

[frogwoman]

poor bloke, this is tragic

 

[Indeliblelink]

 

[Pickman's model]

Saw this on the mail website where they said the driver's motives obscure. A couple of strong possibilities leap to mind, I thought

 

[A380]

Saw this on the mail website where they said the driver's motives obscure. A couple of strong possibilities leap to mind, I thought

The driver was a member of NATO?

 

[Raheem]

Satnav error?

 

[Diamond]

It looks like the Ukrainians were managing to resupply Mariupol by air with helicopters flying in super low level from the sea and somehow the Russians not noticing until very recently!

Amazing courage!

 

[dilute micro]

I feel like this next phase in the east will define the war. Putin didn't send all these troops in to end up with what he had already stolen but the land bridge would be something. Ukraine can win. They can break the land bridge and then push into Crimea and Donbass. Russia can't fight forever.

 

[magneze]

€1bn for Ukraine, €35bn for Russian energy: top EU diplomat calls out funding gap

EU’s foreign policy chief Josep Borrell urges bloc to send more arms to Ukraine to help end the war

www.theguardian.com

Striking figures. 1bn to Ukraine, 35bn to Russia, from the EU.

 

[dilute micro]

In case you were wondering what mobile cremation was good for.

 

[Petcha]

British weapons makers doing quite well out of it all.

'Impressive'

The best performer is BAE Systems, with its share price up an impressive 29.4% since the year began. BAE’s share price witnessed a strong and steady opening during the first few weeks of 2022, before surging in late February when the Russian tanks entered Ukraine.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

British weapons makers doing quite well out of it all.

'Impressive'

Well, it's better than supplying weapons to Saudi and Israel...

 

[Petcha]

Well, it's better than supplying weapons to Saudi and Israel...

The fuckers are probably supplying both sides here. I wonder if the UK govt has imposed sanctions on weapons supplies to Putin?

 

[LDC]

British weapons makers doing quite well out of it all.

'Impressive'

That's just capitalism isn't it though? That is the kind of of stuff that gets jumped on by conspiracy theorists as proof it's all some planned money making scheme by, well we know who they normally blame...

The fuckers are probably supplying both sides here. I wonder the UK govt has imposed sanctions on weapons supplies to Putin?

Russia has a very well developed internal arms industry.

 

[Petcha]

That's just capitalism isn't it though? That is the kind of of stuff that hgets jumped on by conspiracy theorists as proof it's all some planned money making scheme by, well we know who they normally blame...



Russia has a very well developed internal arms industry.

I wasn't suggesting it's a conspiracy, and I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist. My barber's theory on Covid was that it was all cooked up by Pfizer. Er, no. Put the scissors down and we'll discuss.

But yes, its capitalism, I was just pointing out how depressing it is. I'm sure many of us have pensions whose funds invest in these sort of companies unfortunately.

 

[dilute micro]

Apparently most people in Ukraine learn both languages in parallel from infancy.

Wasn't it required for Soviet bloc countries to learn Russian? That's what we were told in Russian class. It makes sense. One of our professors was from Yugoslavia. A tutor was from Uzbekistan and she said the same. I imagine it remains worthwhile to keep teaching in school for business and culture.

 

[belboid]

The fuckers are probably supplying both sides here. I wonder if the UK govt has imposed sanctions on weapons supplies to Putin?

It did, straight after crimea. Didn’t entirely stop the sales though

Revealed: how UK firms continued to sell weapons to Russia after it annexed Crimea

UK firms have been granted dozens of licences to export millions of pounds of military goods to Putin’s Russia – even after it was sanctioned for snatching Crimea from Ukraine

www.nationalworld.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

My barber's theory on Covid was that it was all cooked up by Pfizer. Er, no. Put the scissors down and we'll discuss.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, it's better than supplying weapons to Saudi and Israel...

You have to go where the action is

 

[frogwoman]

What's this about wealthy American interests again?

 

[likesfish]

I wasn't suggesting for a moment to hat American or Kenyan forces were not as capable of raping and murdering than British or Russian forces. As to "poor countries" well being poor and marginalised in a poor country makes it much easier for those with power and the support of a bureaucracy to commit crimes.

Agnes Wanjiru was a young Kenyan woman murdered by a British soldier who then dumped her body in a septic tank. He confessed to the crime but never faced trial as his military superiors decided to cover-up the crime. There are no suggestions that I've heard blaming sleazy lawyers for inventing this crime

Kenya REOPENS murder case after claims UK soldier 'confessed'

Mother-of-one Agnes Wanjiru, 21, was found in a septic tank behind the Lions Court Hotel in Nanyuki, close to the British Army training camp, two months after she disappeared in 2012.

www.google.com

Two diffrent cases.
Murder case one thing.

The mass rape investigation Collapsed due to the actions of ambulance chasing lawyers contaminating any evidence.

 

[Spymaster]

The fuckers are probably supplying both sides here. I wonder if the UK govt has imposed sanctions on weapons supplies to Putin?

Russia supplies arms to half the world. They don’t need to buy them in.