Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Raheem]

It's because of the western stereotype of Russian leaders being whiny, self-regarding murderers, Vlad.

 

[Supine]

but how many russian made films have they made were Americans are the hero's

No need. The USA flooded the market.

 

[Ax^]

just taking the Mikey really it just more whataboutism ballocks from Putin as always

 

[spitfire]

The Russian film industry is much smaller than Hollywood though, and whilst I agree there is always a need to make films that (domestic) audiences relate to I think it’s also true that a global industry should do more to cover what goes on abroad. I mean the alternative is more bad remakes of stories we’ve all seen several times.

May be smaller but the Russians have been no slouches in making their own war films, there are loads of them on the streaming services, varying in quality from bloody awful to quite watchable. I saw somewhere they bought a load of T34s from Laos, films for the making of.

 

[Yossarian]

Putin's definitely fucked his chances of seeing any war films with Russian heroes now, unless someone makes a movie about Russians assassinating Putin.

 

[steveseagull]

When I heard about this one yesterday, the prognosis was he had broken legs. Looks like it was terminal broken legs.

 

[strung out]

Putin is cross that first they cancelled J K Rowling, and now they're trying to cancel Russia too. He actually said that

 

[gosub]

What is the explanation given for this ?

giving an explanation would enable political science

 

[Ax^]

hmm when the Chernobyl series came out the russian state funded their own movie where everything was going good until a CIA saboutour turned up

quite sure it's on Netflix's lol

 

[planetgeli]

I saw somewhere they bought a load of T34s from Laos, films for the making of.

That's a very confusing sentence I don't understand but I googled anyway. And yes, Russia did actually buy back some 80 year old tanks from Laos in 2019. Never mind the age of the tanks, if you're buying off the Laos military that should be a wake up call.

And I found there's a film about them too (the tanks).

But I still don't understand your sentence.

edit - i do now, after reading the internet properly. all of it. took me ages.

 

[spitfire]

That's a very confusing sentence I don't understand but I googled anyway. And yes, Russia did actually buy back some 80 year old tanks from Laos in 2019. Never mind the age of the tanks, if you're buying off the Laos military that should be a wake up call.

And I found there's a film about them too (the tanks).

But I still don't understand your sentence.

It's a play on words of old military descriptions of kit when being issued by Quartermasters. I can't remember any exact ones of the top of my head but they go something like this.

Boots. For the wearing of.
Guns. For the shooting of.

etc.

 

[Cid]

That's a very confusing sentence I don't understand but I googled anyway. And yes, Russia did actually buy back some 80 year old tanks from Laos in 2019. Never mind the age of the tanks, if you're buying off the Laos military that should be a wake up call.

And I found there's a film about them too (the tanks).

But I still don't understand your sentence.

edit - i do now, after reading the internet properly. all of it. took me ages.

They bought them for making films, and parades. Imagine the furious wanking of every daily mail reader if 30 spitfire s turned up.

 

[spitfire]

They bought them for making films, and parades. Imagine the furious wanking of every daily mail reader if spitfire turned up.

I get that a lot.

 

[Cid]

I get that a lot.

Yes I immediately realised I'd missed an opportunity there

 

[tim]

Never heard of him, but just looked him up and seen he's leader of the Russian Liberal Democrats, so now I have a really poor opinion of him.

Definitely not someone you'd trust to look after your greenhouse while you were on holiday, or, indeed, to dogsit.

 

[David Clapson]

I think we're approaching Putin's Pearl Harbour moment, when he'll be doomed by the sheer scale of resources ranged against him. He's Hitler in 1941.

Nobody is really challenging Zelensky's demand for 1% of Nato's weapons. Soon there'll be some major announcements about it. It's becoming accepted that Nato members' defence budgets need to be spent in Ukraine, as if Ukraine's army was a Nato member. There's broad public support for this. Nato's democracies will be Putin's undoing, without Nato actually fighting Putin.

Putin's gas money is slowly being cut off, with US help Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Putin and his henchmen know all this. He'll react with some massacres, and the henchmen will be in huddles discussing whether to get rid of him. He has to go for broke now. He'll come up with something more devious and horrible than we can imagine. The weapons from Nato are an existential threat for him personally, so maybe he'll use chemical weapons wherever the weapons are shipped in....border towns near Ukraine's western neighbours?

 

[Pickman's model]

I think we're approaching Putin's Pearl Harbour moment, when he'll be doomed by the sheer scale of resources ranged against him. He's Hitler in 1941.

Nobody is really challenging Zelensky's demand for 1% of Nato's weapons. Soon there'll be some major announcements about it. It's becoming accepted that Nato members' defence budgets need to be spent in Ukraine, as if Ukraine's army was a Nato member. There's broad public support for this. Nato's democracies will be Putin's undoing, without Nato actually fighting Putin.

Putin's gas money is slowly being cut off, with US help Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Putin and his henchmen know all this. He'll react with some massacres, and the henchmen will be in huddles discussing whether to get rid of him. He has to go for broke now. He'll come up with something more devious and horrible than we can imagine. The weapons from Nato are an existential threat for him personally, so maybe he'll use chemical weapons wherever the weapons are shipped in....border towns near Ukraine's western neighbours?

If there's a shit analogy about you can rely upon David clapson to find it

 

[Serge Forward]

It's a play on words of old military descriptions of kit when being issued by Quartermasters. I can't remember any exact ones of the top of my head but they go something like this.

Boots. For the wearing of.
Guns. For the shooting of.

etc.

I thought it was in the stylee of Yoda.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Definitely not someone you'd trust to look after your greenhouse while you were on holiday, or, indeed, to dogsit.

I think you meant 'dogshit'.

 

[spitfire]

I thought it was in the stylee of Yoda.

Such a thing, do I would not.

 

[two sheds]

It's a play on words of old military descriptions of kit when being issued by Quartermasters. I can't remember any exact ones of the top of my head but they go something like this.

Boots. For the wearing of.
Guns. For the shooting of.

etc.

Today we have naming of parts ...

 

[tim]

I think you meant 'dogshit'.

I was thinking about poor old Rinka who British Liberal Party leader had murdered.

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/fFkStcwR4W_I3pi_YuQWi-TDWLo=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BP6CX35L4JEDFEADCMJM4LDRW4.jpg

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I was thinking about poor old Rinka who British Liberal Party leader had murdered.

https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/fFkStcwR4W_I3pi_YuQWi-TDWLo=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BP6CX35L4JEDFEADCMJM4LDRW4.jpg

I was thinking British Liberal Party

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Carbon offsetting special military operations must be a nightmare

iirc the figures relating to military have historically and conveniently been left out of country figures

It's an issue that came up at COP26 and a new project was launched to keep track of emissions relating to the military in different countries

World’s militaries avoiding scrutiny over emissions, scientists say

Countries do not have to include armed forces’ emissions in their targets despite estimates sector creates 6% of greenhouse gases

www.theguardian.com

ETA: US military apparently responsible for emissions greater than those of Portugal or Denmark.

The U.S. Military Emits More Carbon Dioxide Into the Atmosphere Than Entire Countries Like Denmark or Portugal - Inside Climate News

This story originally appeared on the War Horse. In the fall of 2018, Neta C. Crawford, a political science professor at Boston University, prepared to teach a class on climate change designed to help students think about the issue in a big-picture way. Crawford’s research expertise is in war...

insideclimatenews.org

 

[tim]

I think we're approaching Putin's Pearl Harbour moment, when he'll be doomed by the sheer scale of resources ranged against him. He's Hitler in 1941.

Nobody is really challenging Zelensky's demand for 1% of Nato's weapons. Soon there'll be some major announcements about it. It's becoming accepted that Nato members' defence budgets need to be spent in Ukraine, as if Ukraine's army was a Nato member. There's broad public support for this. Nato's democracies will be Putin's undoing, without Nato actually fighting Putin.

Putin's gas money is slowly being cut off, with US help Subscribe to read | Financial Times

Putin and his henchmen know all this. He'll react with some massacres, and the henchmen will be in huddles discussing whether to get rid of him. He has to go for broke now. He'll come up with something more devious and horrible than we can imagine. The weapons from Nato are an existential threat for him personally, so maybe he'll use chemical weapons wherever the weapons are shipped in....border towns near Ukraine's western neighbours?

I think your thinking is far too wish-filled. I've no idea about how this will finish, but I don't think random WW2 analogies give much insight into the current situation.

 

[David Clapson]

If you can't manage a historical analysis it's not your place to criticise those who can. Go back to school.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I suspect the Russian film industry hasn't been great at depicting the Western front, either. People are interested in what their grandparents did, and less keen on what someone 5000 miles away's grandparents did. Most history books aren't shy about how the war was won with Soviet blood.

If I'm being generous, you could argue the Western front is somewhat more cinematic. Outside of Kursk and a couple other battles, the Eastern front was a meat grinder.

The Eastern front, and China, are just wall to wall warcrimes as well. There's heavy stuff in western WW2 films but even laser focused Eastern front film would involve heavy quantities of Germans and Russians butchering each other and any civilians involved at a level that would make the film 18 plus and probably unrated.


Then we get into "how do we depict the Communist regime" tightrope territory because any depiction of Stalin or the commissar system is going to be loathed by somebody.

Easier to focus on yet another Normandy film

 

[emanymton]

Putin is cross that first they cancelled J K Rowling, and now they're trying to cancel Russia too. He actually said that

It's incredibly. Is it possible we no longer have the most embarrassing "leader"?

 

[tim]

If you can't manage a historical analysis it's not your place to criticise those who can. Go back to school.

Bugger that! I've only just left and need the weekend to recover.

 

[bimble]

Not read article, but this is very much in line with culture war shit in the US around 'cultural marxism' etc.

Yep, I imagine it’s the same sort of impulse for similar-ish reasons, Down with effeminate decadent things like the social sciences and let’s ban books that say stuff that’s critical of our glorious nation. I know it’s worse in Ukraine at this moment but I keep thinking how shit scared id be if I lived in Russia right now.

ETA the ‘brain drain’ that’s happening will probably turn out to have massive as yet unguessable impacts, saw this the other day which is just about tens of thousands of programmers having already left Russia this past month, no doubt that’s happening across all sorts of fields. Russia Is Facing a Tech Worker Exodus

ETA 2
Russia is acknowledging the loss over a few weeks of some two hundred thousand IT specialists, fled the country.

РАЭК спрогнозировала отъезд до 100 тысяч IT-специалистов из РФ в апреле

Россию в апреле могут покинуть 70-100 тысяч человек в рамках "второй волны" эмиграции IT-специалистов, такой прогноз дали в Российской ассоциации электронных коммуникаций (РАЭК).

www.interfax.ru