Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[tim]

Doesn't matter though how he comes across, it only matters what he does and so far it isn't looking pretty, in fact his view of the immediate future seems grim and bleak for quite a lot of people.

Yes grim and bleak, and whatever we post here can't change that, and so none of these posts really matter. However, since I am posting here, I see no reason not to say that he's a less cunning cunt than some posters here seem to believe: a stupid cunt is still a cunt.

 

[frogwoman]

I don't think him being stupid is necessarily a good thing in terms of how the war is gonna go, Bush is one of recent history's stupidest leaders for instance and look how that went. I agree Putin is not as smart as he thinks he is but that in itself is bloody terrifying

 

[frogwoman]

I'm really upset about it all tbh - bit concerned for Russian oppo types I know in Moscow as well

 

[gosub]

He's still clearly worried about those golden shower photos.

It's time to admit the obvious: Donald Trump sure is acting like a Russian agent

Trump's remarks praising Putin's military aggression against Ukraine should be the last straw for anyone inexplicably holding out hope he's not driven in part by Russian interests.

www.msnbc.com

I have no total knowledge nor wish to speculate about the P tape

 

[gosub]

What the fuck is he playing at with talk like this?!

I can only look to Mr Wallace's service career for faith in his remarks, coz personally, bringong up the C19 Crimean war seems pretty tonto in itself.

 

[zahir]

Going off this it sounds like Ukraine doesn't have much in the way of air defences.

Why didn't the U.S. provide Ukraine with a better air defense system?

"We didn't want to provoke Putin," said an official. "How did that work out?"

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Bingoman]

Ukraine request urgent meeting of the Un security council, not sure what much more they can do atm?

 

[RD2003]

Relax everybody. We're experiencing the death throes of the liberal triumphalism of 1989. It was always going to end like this.

 

[The39thStep]

 

[tommers]

I probably couldn't put a pin in Tennessee or North Dakota or Arizona tbf.

Somewhere in the middle?

 

[Yossarian]

Same researchers found that Americans were better at finding Britain, though there does seem to be a number of people who believe everything not in America is in Greenland.

 

[ohmyliver]

Looks like Russian airspace is closed, and there seems to be lots of reports of Russian military hardware (tanks, helicopters, transport planes, self propelled artilery) on the move on Twitter. Obviously hard to verify those videos.

Zelensky has given a speech which reads like the speech the leader of a country would give just before they were invaded.


eta the rumour is that it's going to kick off at 4am Ukraine time, or 2am our time.

 

[manji]

I've made a bigger explosion than that ffs

Not convincing

 

[Raheem]

If Putin does send troops to support the rebels, isn't there a risk they will end up getting into clashes with the Russian peacekeepers that are also being sent? Seems like an obvious planning error.

 

[Bingoman]

The U.S now believe that Russia will invade before the night is over?

 

[RD2003]

Peter Hitchens provides another sensible view from the right (sorry it has to be from the DM). Although you have to smile at his naive impressions of the 1991 coup and its aftermath. I was there as well and, even in my mid-20s, couldn't bring myself to be so starry-eyed. I suspect he has to present himself this way to appease his audience... I opposed it at the time (even if only in my own daft fucking head), but I can't help thinking that if the 1991 coup had succeeded, we wouldn't be in this position now...

PETER HITCHENS: Why I blame the arrogant West for the Ukraine crisis

We have been utter fools, writes PETER HITCHENS. We have treated Russia with amazing stupidity. Now we pay the price for that. We had the chance to make her an ally, friend and partner.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[RD2003]

The 1991 coup, by the way, had little to do with 'Communism striking back', as Hitchens puts it.

 

[Yossarian]

Wow, I didn't think the fucking madman would actually go through with it.

 

[CyberRose]

A lot of live reporting saying explosions have been happening in Kyiv since about 5am local time. That's not Donbass. I found this article saying Russia began testing long range artillery in December that can reach 50 miles, exactly the distance between Kyiv and the closest part of the Belarussian border

Russian Army to Begin Testing Longest Range Howitzer

The Russian army will begin testing its longest-range self-propelled "Coalition-SV" artillery gun next year.

www.thedefensepost.com

Edit: MSNBC live saying missile attacks (not sure what their source is)

 

[miss direct]

I teach lots of Russian and Ukranians (online). On social media, the Russians are almost all sharing pictures of soldiers with nationalistic stuff. The Ukranians are not posting at all, and in the last few days have been posting saying how worried they are

 

[bimble]

What do these things mean ?
Is not occupying annexing ?

 

[Ming]

Quite curious to see how all this pans out (maybe nuclear war?).

 

[agricola]

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What do these things mean ?
Is not occupying annexing ?

They repeatedly said they weren’t going to invade; it means nothing.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It was clear it was going to happen, but still grim news to wake up too.

 

[donkyboy]

Today (or yesterday depending when the bombardment began) is a day that will live in infamy..

 

[JimW]

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What do these things mean ?
Is not occupying annexing ?

Possibly in line with his "de-nazification" rhetoric, install a puppet regime then leave it to fall apart.

 

[bimble]

i was not paying any attention in 2014. Did that feel the same as this?

 

[Rob Ray]

If Odessa actually has been invaded this is the full-scale deal aiming at a major (punitive) defeat of the Ukrainian army and government, no salami slicing. Take the territory he can hold, humiliate NATO, demonstrate to other states in Russia's historic sphere of influence what happens if you flip.

Minor tangent: Long term this pretty much secures the formation of an EU army.

 

[donkyboy]

invasion of a democratic state. shocking. must be total sanctions on mother Rooysia

 

[MrCurry]

So how will this go, I wonder? Protracted messy war or Ukraine realising the inevitability of the outcome and choosing to effectively acquiesce to allow those two republics to go to Russia, in order to reduce the bloodshed and cost? Will outside allies come to Ukraine’s aid and fight alongside them? Seems very unlikely as surely no one wants to choose a war with Russia?

Or maybe I’m misreading it and Ukraine do have enough military strength to repel the invaders? Hard to see how such a long planned operation would be launched by Russia if they hadn’t ensured they would succeed though.