It sounds plausible to me but I'm not sure I know enough to say.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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It sounds plausible to me but I'm not sure I know enough to say.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Apparently Russia has over 6000. So even 30% would be a bad news.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh but apparently only half of them work so it might not be total annihilation, bognor might escape
ska invita
back on the other side
The way I see it there are some 'rules of war' which are followed and ignored at the 'players' will. Both players recognise the rules and recognise when they are being broken.
If Putin wanted to set a new rule of "USA, Do Not Dare Give A Single Weapon To Ukraine Or We Will Bomb US Bases in Poland" or similiar, he could. Nothing to stop him doing so.
Seems clear though that the Kremlin were expecting blowback from this invasion, sanctions and including some proxy warfare/rearming...they prepped for it, and made bold statements about being the cold war generation and used to hardship etc. There's a degree of escalation they can handle and still achieve their goals in this war. Its about riding that line of achieving objectives and not getting nuked themselves
Flavour
hang the bankers
If their equipment maintenance issues extend to nukes it might be quite a few less
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
rekil
to menny cranks
Whatabout when the ruling class happens to be oooh I dunno, palestinian say, or Iranian.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the greatest surprise is they didn't say this from the off
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh as i say bognor might escape destruction. and maybe abertillery
Yossarian
⏭️
I hadn't realised the vaccination rate in Ukraine was so low, looks like the misery for civilians will be compounded by severe outbreaks and COVID deaths - I hope the virus rips through Russian forces as well.
Ukraine has a relatively low Covid vaccination rate, barely one-third of the population, and millions of people fleeing their homes have crowded into evacuation trains, resettlement centers, temporary housing and underground shelters — conditions ripe for a new surge of infections.
Recently, Ukraine has also been grappling with a rare outbreak of polio, which spreads through the kind of unsanitary conditions and water contamination that are common in a refugee crisis.
www.nytimes.com
Ukraine has a relatively low Covid vaccination rate, barely one-third of the population, and millions of people fleeing their homes have crowded into evacuation trains, resettlement centers, temporary housing and underground shelters — conditions ripe for a new surge of infections.
Recently, Ukraine has also been grappling with a rare outbreak of polio, which spreads through the kind of unsanitary conditions and water contamination that are common in a refugee crisis.
Russia-Ukraine War: What Happened on Day 16 of Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine (Published 2022)
Russian forces opened fire on a cancer hospital in the southern city of Mykolaiv. Vice President Kamala Harris said Americans would have to pay more for gas to punish Russia.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
I believe flying planes into a warzone would be taken as participating by anyone. You are now a danger to the aircraft and ground forces of the Russians. And like others have said, on the point of making a no-fly zone, it's not as easy as just having planes in the air. Notice the American method is to first reduce the air defenses down to AK rifles before you have air superiority. That would mean eliminating the Russian anti-air defenses - air to ground. We're fooling ourselves if we think we can operate by some fantasy and fragile rules of warfare. War is war. And then there's the fact that you have to coordinate your operations with the Ukrainians so you don't get shot down.
The drones from Turkey are being purchased, as I've read. Turkey have stated that they are not aid. But besides that, I agree with you. I think it's funny watching people split hairs on what's an offensive weapon and what's not.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere...
As I said, I think it's a mistake to side with any ruling class.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i set you up for george v's last words, bugger bognor
bimble
floofy
Is he seriously saying that from now on they'll see any weapons on their way to Ukraine as legit targets - or only once they're inside Ukraine.
Inside doesn't make any sense, cos obviously the weapons are legit targets once they are in the hands of the Uklrainians.
I think this is a good example of why taking every threatening word literally as a statement of fact doesn't make sense.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Over my dead body.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I think there's a difference between supplying countries with weapons and actually engaging your forces in a war on behalf of another country. The entire arms industry is built on this premise. If supplying weapons to an army constitutes a declaration of war I probably wouldn't have made it past my 2nd birthday given the history of that sort of thing in the cold war.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
being as we don't know quite what they've said precisely maybe this isn't the time to say it doesn't make sense
e2a
although from this it looks like convoys heading to ukraine might be considered legitimate targets
Russia Ukraine News LIVE Updates: Pope Francis renews calls to end war in Ukraine
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Putin's political trajectory as president.
www.theguardian.com
McDonald’s in Russia: departure is about a lot more than burgers
Stung by its honeymoon with westernisation, Putin’s way of restoring Russian relevance has been to tear up global norms
2hats
Dust.
Of those 6000-odd in the stockpile only something like 1500 are immediately available. (Similar numbers for the US arsenal).
The warheads have a limited shelflife and have to be rotated, undergo maintenance, testing. Different components of each package have differing expiry dates.
bimble
floofy
yeah. as in, stop arming ukraine or we might start bombing nato countries in the morning. is that to be taken literally ?being as we don't know quite what they've said precisely maybe this isn't the time to say it doesn't make sense
e2a
although from this it looks like convoys heading to ukraine might be considered legitimate targets
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Russia Ukraine News LIVE Updates: Pope Francis renews calls to end war in Ukraine
www.republicworld.com
teqniq
DisMembered
I think it might be one for the Why the Guardian is going down the pan thread.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
sometimes i think your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. we haven't seen all his remarks so we do not know just what russia told the americans: we've only seen two sentences of what was undoubtedly a larger whole, so there is a known unknown, part of which involves whether there were more specific things said about weapons entering ukraine. as we know a lot of the equipment has been arriving via aeroplane were there any things said about that? it's a case of wait and see what emerges and not a time for 'oh noes oh noes'
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
In terms of the war itself I really don't know.
But somethings that they could be doing.
1 - shipping food and medical supplies to Ukraine instead of just weapons.
2 - proactive take refugees form Ukraine, organising transport form the border instead of leaving people to spend days making there own way then leave the stuck for not having signed some form along the way.
3 - This one is mainly Germany, but stop buying Russian Gas and oil and raise takes on the companies that are making record profits out this instead of passing the cost on to the consumers.
4 - Instead of making it harder for people to flee Russia make it easier.
5- If the Russian economy tanks so bad food becomes a problem offer to send food their as well.
bimble
floofy
i'm not saying oh noes, i'm saying 'we' should stop selectively hanging on their every word, yesterday they said the CIA was training killer birds and the hospital was full of nazis, they say all kinds of stuff.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
The article is entirely accurate in its outlining of how the fairly west-friendly early Putin changed, and the reasons why.
And what brought him to power in the first place.
'The honeymoon with westernisation was short-lived. The shock transition from communism to a market economy, shepherded by a liberal government with western consultants, was a disaster, producing oligarchs, lawlessness and poverty.'
There's no escaping the fact that everything we are seeing today can ultimately be traced back to this.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Yes, but how would you know?
If there's any hint of sabre-rattling Putin is going nowhere because he can't be seen to withdraw because he was scared of conflict wth NATO. My guess is Biden is reiterating this to open up the space for the kind of face saving retreat that some even in Russia seem to be calling for - as in Putin declares victory and pulls the forces back to the occupied territories in the East and comes to some kind of negotiated settlement.
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