The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Bus service replacement
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Be careful of Putin's humanitarian corridor proposals. This from Syria 2019
CARE believes “Humanitarian Corridor” proposal is deeply flawed - CARE
We are extremely alarmed at Russia and Syria's joint proposal to set up so-called "humanitarian corridors" out of eastern Aleppo.www.care.org
I bet NATO was behind it. Putin is just striking against capitalism
...lengthwise ?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
dilute micro
esse quam videri
All you have to do is hit the tracks. Abrams have the same stuff. It's a matter of opportunity.
Yossarian
⏭️
Call to arms here for anyone who wants to go and fight, no visas required.
(this is not an endorsement just think the existence of the website is interesting!)
If I was a decade or two younger, unmarried, childless, and had military experience more extensive than being a battlefield extra in a long-forgotten Vietnam War film, this is something I might have seriously considered.
As things stand, I'll stick to donating to humanitarian causes - a Ukrainian church near me issued a call for donations of clothing, medicine, and numerous other items yesterday, by evening they said they'd receiving such an overwhelming amount of donations that the only things they still wanted people to drop off were bulletproof vests and military helmets.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
bimble
floofy
Top Cat and R2d2 and co, far as I can see their position is basically that WAR Is BAD, it's not very nice and people should be against War. Also anyone saying anything apart from how War Is Bad is a bloodthirsty warmonger.
The Ukrainians could have stopped all this by just not resisting, the silly intransigent buggers, just let Putin do his thing and nobody needed to get hurt.
It's brilliant, it would work every time, it's failsafe, if someone invades your country all you need to do is roll over and let them get on with it, problem solved.
The inconvenient thing is that if you followed that line of thought, if these geniuses were in charge instead of the nasty imperialist warmongers, my grandparents wouldn't have been liberated from the concentration camp they were in they'd they'd have died there.
Shit john lenon song is shit.
The Ukrainians could have stopped all this by just not resisting, the silly intransigent buggers, just let Putin do his thing and nobody needed to get hurt.
It's brilliant, it would work every time, it's failsafe, if someone invades your country all you need to do is roll over and let them get on with it, problem solved.
The inconvenient thing is that if you followed that line of thought, if these geniuses were in charge instead of the nasty imperialist warmongers, my grandparents wouldn't have been liberated from the concentration camp they were in they'd they'd have died there.
Shit john lenon song is shit.
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FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
Brave fucjers!
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Insightful.
100% agree with you.
This is a time for fighting for freedoms.
Time for peace will come.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
If all these things we've heard are true about the unpreparedness, the ill equipped, the lack of planning, how do the top brass keep their job?Why the Russian Air Force hasn't done a lot:
Is the Russian Air Force Actually Incapable of Complex Air Operations?
More than a week into the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian Air Force has yet to commence large-scale operations. Inactivity in the first few days could be ascribed to various factors, but the continued absence of major air operations now raises serious capability questions.www.rusi.org
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Yes-from 2000 miles away.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
the russians have no food or fuel, none of their equipment is any good due to "corruption", their leader is mad and isolated and about to be murdered by one of his own and the troops are of very bad quality, demoralised and running away.
so, how come they keep managing to encircle cities and take vital infrastructure like power plants?
so, how come they keep managing to encircle cities and take vital infrastructure like power plants?
andysays
Love and solidarity
There is still a genuine question about the best way of fighting for freedom though, and for those of us in Britain and other western European countries with no direct connection with Ukraine, I'm not convinced that signing up on a website for volunteer troops to fight in Ukraine is necessarily the best thing to do.
As the The39thStep posted fighting for freedoms weirdly might envolve joining a battalion of neo Nazis alongside other neo Nazis from across Europe.
I was thinking about this and how it could end if the west got involved in the fighting.
Russia does not seem to have the best of equipment for on the ground fighting. They are relying on their threats to deploy nuclear warheads to prevent NATO countries getting involved on the ground.
Does the world know where Putin is right now? Is his bunker conpletely impenetrable ? Even if a nuclear bomb or three was dropped on it?
Is there any non NATO country in the world who has nuclear weapons?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yep. I think some of the takes on here are pretty insulting to those who've spent a week underground and had their houses blown to bits, their towns under siege. Every tank stuck in mud highlighted is not giving a rounded picture. Not to me anyway. I know we need optimism. But.
bimble
floofy
no. Just to restate, posting that link was not me saying here's a good idea.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Are you seriously suggesting that taking Putin out with a nuclear strike would be a good move, even if it were possible?
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
China, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
But PRC does relish the idea of anything that feeds positively into their claims over Taiwan. Russia invading and seizing Ukraine's territory as its own is kind of precedent setting insofar as China's claims over Taiwan go.
China can't lean on Russia to back the fuck off out of Ukraine without effectively undermining its own long-standing claims over Taiwan.
Is Taiwan Next?
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine makes the frightening possibility of China seizing control of the island more real.www.theatlantic.com
Taiwan (The Republic of China) and "China" (The People's Republic of China) both claim to be the legitimate rulers of both the Mainland and Taiwan, so the precedent isn't quite so clear cut. Both sides claim sovereignty over each other's territory, but neither officially disputes the territorial integrity of China.
One of the things that Russia has done in the past ten days, aside from the invasion, is to recognise Luhansk and Donetsk as independent republics. The People's Republic would be very pissed off if Taiwan declared itself to be independent and abandoned their claim to the mainland and if other states decided to recognise that independence.
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FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
andysays
Love and solidarity
So you said, but in that case I genuinely wonder why you did post it.
We have all read stuff about people volunteering like this, so we know it's happening, but why post that link without any proper comment?
Even if you don't mean it to, it is contributing to the idea that this is something that should be encouraged.
10,000 twitter threads can't be wrong
discokermit
Well-Known Member
i have never worked at a place, in britain, where stealing from work isnt ubiquitous. and that is just on the shop floor. at management level the corruption is at a much higher level. f'rinstance i personally built parts for a very big house extension in richmond belonging to a feller dishing out work on a very big government project, that all got booked to the very big government project.I thought this was interesting:
Ukraine Update: Putin didn't have the army he thought he had, because of corruption he allowed
I’ve linked to this thread several times because it is amazing from top to bottom. But let me home in on these two sections: Exit defense minister who fought crony oligarch arms dealers, enter guy who knew how to “get along.” As a result, Kamil Galeev...www.dailykos.com
Talks about the corruption in Russian weapons manufacture:
Not sure whether that last sentence is right, but it does remind me of when I worked for a company selling computers in the mid 70s. On Russian contracts they always used to send out a gross of screwdrivers with any system on the principle that flooding the market would mean there there was at least a couple for the actual work. Looks like not a lot has changed
plus a nice little snippet from bellingcat
edit to complete the story: my boss walked in one day with a very expensive looking watch on, i asked him how much it cost. it was free he said, won it in the freemasons raffle.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Those roadworks should slow them down a bit though
I think those conscripts and junk APCS are just cannon fodder and weren't expected to be effective. Maybe they thought it would draw Ukrainian forces out of urban areas and waste ammunition in the long run while gangs of special forces terrorise cities. Supply lines being set up in the mean time
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
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