Russian victory in Ukraine is seen as an existential threat to the Baltic States and Poland, if it looked like a fall of Kyiv was imminent they would be willing to put their troops in harms way. Might not be guaranteed, but there are certainly voices in favour so I think it is relatively likely if the right circumstances arise.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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hiraethified
Apologies I was on my phone and just wanted to correct your mistake quickly
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Like I said your usual crap. In fact so stupid its a wonder you can breathe
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tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
If they were that good at tunnelling wouldn't they be on the other side of the DMZ by now?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There are voices in favour of all sorts of nonsense
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It’s not good, no, and there has been some acceleration in recent weeks. However, you need to see that map in the context of the whole of Ukraine’s territory to appreciate the scale. Russia had also taken huge losses in men and equipment making these gains, which is not sustainable, a case of getting what they can before things get bogged down for winter, and also to grab now what they can keep when Trump gets in and gifts it to them.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Anyone know whether this is accurate? Doesn't look good
It's accurate (-ish, as much as it can be under the circumstances), but bear in mind that it covers 8 months and the Russians have advanced some 40 miles. The area they've taken all year to date on all fronts is about the same as Moscow. Which is not a small city, but not a terribly significant amount for a place the size of Ukraine. At this rate they'll be in Kyiv by Christmas - 2034. And in doing so they've lost thousands of vehicles and some tens of thousands of men. The Russian stockpile of armaments and people is deep, but it's not deep enough to ride the whole way to Kyiv like that. What they're attempting to do is get as far as they can and then when things finally look exhausted go "Oh. I think we want peace now."
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Ukraine aims to call up 160,000 more men for the armed forces.
Ukraine announces mobilisation drive as Russia advances in east
Ukraine's military has been under severe pressure of late, in part due to Russia's greater manpower.
www.bbc.co.uk
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Ukraine aims to call up 160,000 more men for the armed forces.
Ukraine announces mobilisation drive as Russia advances in east
Ukraine's military has been under severe pressure of late, in part due to Russia's greater manpower.www.bbc.co.uk
"The law requires every man aged between 25 and 60 to log their details on an electronic database so they can be called up. Conscription officers are on the hunt for those avoiding the register, pushing more men who do not want to serve into hiding."
I posted last year about this data base . The database can now be accessed and information exchanged between the SBU, National Police and the recruitment centres. It is now also integrated with Diia which is the digital one stop shop for applying for social assistance, renewing driver’s licenses, paying taxes, which also collects payroll, business registration, and residence records. Those avoiding conscription are going to have to go 'off grid' or cross the borders.
Yossarian
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A look at life in the occupied territories, hardly surprising that Zelensky is unwilling to cede territory in these circumstances:
Yevheny’s harsh treatment is just one example of a colonialist repression Russia is enforcing across the Ukrainian territory it controls, a system comprising a gulag of more than 100 prisons, detention facilities, informal camps and basements that is reminiscent of the worst Soviet excesses.
Research by a team of reporters involving dozens of interviews with former detainees, human rights organizations and Ukrainian officials from the Office of the General Prosecutor, the intelligence service and ombudsmen, reveals a highly institutionalized, bureaucratic and frequently brutal system of repression run by Moscow to pacify an area of 40,000 square miles in Ukraine, roughly the size of Ohio.
The abuses almost always occur unseen and unheard by the outside world, as Russia-controlled areas are largely inaccessible to independent journalists and human rights investigators. But human rights organizations and Ukrainian prosecutors and government officials have managed to monitor the situation closely, drawing on accounts from civilians who are either still living there or who have found a way to leave.
The ultimate aim of Moscow’s efforts, rights advocates said, is to extinguish Ukrainian identity through such tactics as propaganda, re-education, torture, forced Russian citizenship and sending children to live in Russia.
Yevheny’s harsh treatment is just one example of a colonialist repression Russia is enforcing across the Ukrainian territory it controls, a system comprising a gulag of more than 100 prisons, detention facilities, informal camps and basements that is reminiscent of the worst Soviet excesses.
Research by a team of reporters involving dozens of interviews with former detainees, human rights organizations and Ukrainian officials from the Office of the General Prosecutor, the intelligence service and ombudsmen, reveals a highly institutionalized, bureaucratic and frequently brutal system of repression run by Moscow to pacify an area of 40,000 square miles in Ukraine, roughly the size of Ohio.
The abuses almost always occur unseen and unheard by the outside world, as Russia-controlled areas are largely inaccessible to independent journalists and human rights investigators. But human rights organizations and Ukrainian prosecutors and government officials have managed to monitor the situation closely, drawing on accounts from civilians who are either still living there or who have found a way to leave.
The ultimate aim of Moscow’s efforts, rights advocates said, is to extinguish Ukrainian identity through such tactics as propaganda, re-education, torture, forced Russian citizenship and sending children to live in Russia.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The first question that came into my mind was why was this leaked? Was it because of Democrat's fears in the US elections?
kyivindependent.com
Zelensky asked US for Tomahawk missiles as part of victory plan's secret part, NYT reports
According to the officials, Ukraine did not manage to convince Western diplomats why it needed Tomahawks. The number of Ukraine’s targets in Russia also allegedly far exceeds the stockpiles the U.S. could hand over without jeopardizing its interests in the Middle East and Asia.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
Meat is meat.
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hiraethified
Yes it's terrible. And entirely caused by Russia.
The CIA backed 2014 coup in Kiev didn't help things either.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Yes, Russia can fuck off home and it'd all be fine but the Ukrainian government, military etc still have choices however limited and shit they may be so they should still be held to account.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Amazing how concerned some people are with Ukrainian conscription but shit like this seems to pass them by.
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Ukrainians conscripted into the Russian army are used "all for meat," denied leave, forced to rely on the black market for supplies and to buy vehicles with their own money, and are sent into "meat storms" where large numbers are killed, according to a Russian commentary.
The Russian 'Philologist in Ambush' Telegram channel, which is pro-war but often critical of the way it's being fought, has published a description from a source in the forces of the 'Luhansk People's Militia' – now part of the Russian Army – on the situation there:
"Thank you for highlighting the issue of the wounded and the untreated. For the butchers, the 7th Luhansk brigade is generally giving the locals [i.e. men from the Luhansk region] a hard time, both commanders and soldiers.
"A drone destroyed a gun, so [the crew] go into assaults, as we have artillerymen in abundance. The locals don't go on vacation at all. Those who came from the Russian Federation to the unit, they go on vacation like clockwork, the locals are all for meat, without a break.
That's the first 4 posts, rest is in the thread.
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Ukrainians conscripted into the Russian army are used "all for meat," denied leave, forced to rely on the black market for supplies and to buy vehicles with their own money, and are sent into "meat storms" where large numbers are killed, according to a Russian commentary.
The Russian 'Philologist in Ambush' Telegram channel, which is pro-war but often critical of the way it's being fought, has published a description from a source in the forces of the 'Luhansk People's Militia' – now part of the Russian Army – on the situation there:
"Thank you for highlighting the issue of the wounded and the untreated. For the butchers, the 7th Luhansk brigade is generally giving the locals [i.e. men from the Luhansk region] a hard time, both commanders and soldiers.
"A drone destroyed a gun, so [the crew] go into assaults, as we have artillerymen in abundance. The locals don't go on vacation at all. Those who came from the Russian Federation to the unit, they go on vacation like clockwork, the locals are all for meat, without a break.
That's the first 4 posts, rest is in the thread.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The mainland generally an expression for European Russia, it's certainly its meaning in siberiaAmazing how concerned some people are with Ukrainian conscription but shit like this seems to pass them by.
Thread by @ChrisO_wiki on Thread Reader App
@ChrisO_wiki: 1/ Ukrainians conscripted into the Russian army are used "all for meat," denied leave, forced to rely on the black market for supplies and to buy vehicles with their own money, and are sent into...…
Ukrainians conscripted into the Russian army are used "all for meat," denied leave, forced to rely on the black market for supplies and to buy vehicles with their own money, and are sent into "meat storms" where large numbers are killed, according to a Russian commentary.
The Russian 'Philologist in Ambush' Telegram channel, which is pro-war but often critical of the way it's being fought, has published a description from a source in the forces of the 'Luhansk People's Militia' – now part of the Russian Army – on the situation there:
"Thank you for highlighting the issue of the wounded and the untreated. For the butchers, the 7th Luhansk brigade is generally giving the locals [i.e. men from the Luhansk region] a hard time, both commanders and soldiers.
"A drone destroyed a gun, so [the crew] go into assaults, as we have artillerymen in abundance. The locals don't go on vacation at all. Those who came from the Russian Federation to the unit, they go on vacation like clockwork, the locals are all for meat, without a break.
That's the first 4 posts, rest is in the thread.
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hiraethified
What are these choices when it comes to defending their country from an illegal invasion?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Perhaps you should take a look at the American atp 7-100.2 the us army publication on north korean tactics, in particular chapter 9 which discusses nk electronic warfare
To keep it vaguely relevant to conscription/the quote The39thStep put up: whether to conscript, whether to allow adult males of military age to leave the country, whether to link access to various social services to a database for military conscription, whether to let military age women leave, whether to push 60 year old men who don't want to fight into hiding etc. Those are choices. You start denying these are choices however difficult or possibly neccessary then you end up in a place where anything authoritarian or excessive can simply be hand waved away with a lazy reference to the enemy.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
As US votes, Ukraine’s future hangs in balance
Ukrainians on the front lines tell the BBC's James Waterhouse that their country’s survival is in the hands of Americans.
www.bbc.co.uk
Interesting article. Some Ukrainians are openly calling for talks.
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